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May 7, 2015 at 5:33 pm #304168SlurpeezParticipant
So we were right! Henry has the power to rewrite the book, making him a contender to be the next author! Rumple has light magic! “Good deeds have their own reward. No price” So yeah, Rumple is basically the opposite of the Dark One; he is the Light One and an ogre slayer. I guess Henry is the stand-in for young Baelfire, what with Rumple (unknowingly it seems) saving his own grandson, instead of his son. Does that mean Rumple has no memory of his past life since he doesn’t seem to recognize Henry?
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May 7, 2015 at 5:34 pm #304169RumplesGirlKeymasterI guess Henry is the stand-in for young Baelfire, what with Rumple (unknowingly it seems) saving his own grandson, instead of his son. Does that mean Rumple has no memory of his past life since he doesn’t seem to recognize Henry?
I think that’s what it means. In this reality, either there never was any Bae or Bae died at some point and certainly never fathered Henry with Emma who is growing up in this new reality without being sent away
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 7, 2015 at 6:05 pm #304174TheGoldenKeyParticipantSeems like Isaac & Rumple did finish the book, Isaac returns to 1961 as a successful author with his new bestseller, but gets sucked back into the EF for the last chapter, via something Henry does. Interesting that the book doesn’t become canon until the last chapter physically plays out. This reminds me of the A Christmas Carol and the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come. The Ghost shows Scrooge his future and his tombstone. Scrooge vows to change in the hopes that he can sponge the writing on his tombstone and succeeds. If Henry can get one HE for the heroes before the bells toll then the book is undone.
Love the nod to Hemingway’s For Whom the Bell Tolls when Isaac talks about the last tolling of the bells at sunset. We saw the nods to Hemingway & Fitzgerald back in Sympathy for De Vil and we know that they are exactly who Isaac aspires to be.
If Rumple has light magic I wonder if we are now going to see a real Sneaky/Shady Blue Fairy. 🙂
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May 7, 2015 at 6:18 pm #304175nevermoreParticipantSeems like Isaac & Rumple did finish the book, Isaac returns to 1961 as a successful author with his new bestseller, but gets sucked back into the EF for the last chapter, via something Henry does. Interesting that the book doesn’t become canon until the last chapter physically plays out.
Yes, that’s exactly what it looks like. Shady Author, though. There are two things he says that seem interesting. First, I wonder what he means when he says that the book “worked out quite nicely” for him. Is this just about getting on the New York Times Bestseller list or signing a book deal? Or is something more profound involved? And then, if giving a hero a HE destroys the book (i.e. the book has to remain “exactly how he wrote it” or not at all) then why wasn’t the original story destroyed as soon as Isaac started tweaking? I wonder what makes this one different.
The business with the bells is a common fairytale trope — X must happen before the bell tolls, or else. Or, if by the time the bell tolls, X doesn’t happen, things remain as they are forever (usually cursed).
May 7, 2015 at 6:55 pm #304178PriceofMagicParticipantYoutube version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTUSunfh_vk
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMay 7, 2015 at 6:57 pm #304179PriceofMagicParticipantI’m really looking forward to this finale.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMay 7, 2015 at 6:58 pm #304180TheGoldenKeyParticipantSeems like Isaac & Rumple did finish the book, Isaac returns to 1961 as a successful author with his new bestseller, but gets sucked back into the EF for the last chapter, via something Henry does. Interesting that the book doesn’t become canon until the last chapter physically plays out.
Yes, that’s exactly what it looks like. Shady Author, though. There are two things he says that seem interesting. First, I wonder what he means when he says that the book “worked out quite nicely” for him. Is this just about getting on the New York Times Bestseller list or signing a book deal? Or is something more profound involved? And then, if giving a hero a HE destroys the book (i.e. the book has to remain “exactly how he wrote it” or not at all) then why wasn’t the original story destroyed as soon as Isaac started tweaking? I wonder what makes this one different. The business with the bells is a common fairytale trope — X must happen before the bell tolls, or else. Or, if by the time the bell tolls, X doesn’t happen, things remain as they are forever (usually cursed).
All Isaac really wanted was to be considered one of the greats. He mentions Hemingway when speaking with Cruella’s mother. When Cruella found him at Rumple’s cabin, he was reading Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby and Cruella said: “Don’t bother studying the greats, you’ll never be one of them.” That’s his archilles heel, he wants fame & recognition for his writing.
The original book can’t be destroyed until the writing has physically played out. Think of it as a play. Also, this new book is a flashsideways world. Another existence based on alternate what ifs. In another interview, A&E said that the opening scene of this finale will have the most LOST like sequence yet. In LOST, we saw the Island underwater. which signified the flashsideways. It’s only an alternate and not the reality until the last bell tolls so the original story can’t be wiped out until this happens.
Yes, bells have been used in fairy tales before, but giving the significance of Isaac motives, that is, he wants to be another Hemingway, and knowing how much A&E love to use literary nods, I automatically thought of Hemingways’ For Whom the Bell Tolls and Isaac would certainly quote the greats. 🙂 What the title also means is that what impacts one, impacts all mankind; the death of the original story affects them all. Those iconic literary nods and how they fit into the storyline is just one of the many things I love about this show. 🙂
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May 8, 2015 at 9:19 am #304213PriceofMagicParticipantCrack theory: With Henry having to give the heroes a happy ending to undo the book, but with Snow and Charming too evil in this AU, Henry is going to focus on giving Regina her happy ending. In other words, Henry is going to work to get OQ together in this AU.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMay 8, 2015 at 9:26 am #304215RumplesGirlKeymasterCrack theory: With Henry having to give the heroes a happy ending to undo the book, but with Snow and Charming too evil in this AU, Henry is going to focus on giving Regina her happy ending. In other words, Henry is going to work to get OQ together in this AU.
Hence why Snow wants to know where the boy is in the first sneak, maybe? We know the Author visits Dark! Snowing. Maybe he informs them that the boy is going to put an end to their reign and darkness, so Snowing are trying to get to him first before he can fix OQ
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"May 8, 2015 at 12:03 pm #304222KebParticipanthttps://www.yahoo.com/tv/once-upon-a-time-finale-sneak-peek-will-118430231830.html
They…actually address Baelfire. I’m not quite sure what to think about this yet.
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