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Ok, so this Author’s quill and ink can only change the past that it created and A&E have confirmed that Isaac did not write Rumple & Bae’s earlier story. For me that says that there’s still hope for the future. If the quill and ink used to originally write Rumple & Bae’s past still exists somewhere, surely they can be used again to change Rumple & Bae’s past.
I love your eternal beacon of hope. <3
LOL Slurpeez! 🙂 I will never give up on NealFire. 🙂 There’s a quill and inkwell out there somewhere. I just hope that they don’t create yet another rule that states only the original quill & ink’s author can use them. And, if the latter is the case, that they don’t show us he/she is now deceased.
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Ok, so this Author’s quill and ink can only change the past that it created and A&E have confirmed that Isaac did not write Rumple & Bae’s earlier story. For me that says that there’s still hope for the future. If the quill and ink used to originally write Rumple & Bae’s past still exists somewhere, surely they can be used again to change Rumple & Bae’s past.
Don’t think it works that way, because Rumple and Isaac seemed to imply that the Author still had to abide by the laws of magic.
Don’t think it works that way, because Rumple and Isaac seemed to imply that the Author still had to abide by the laws of magic.
Which we’ve seen can be broken, ad nauseam, as in the examples I provided already.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Ok, so this Author’s quill and ink can only change the past that it created and A&E have confirmed that Isaac did not write Rumple & Bae’s earlier story. For me that says that there’s still hope for the future. If the quill and ink used to originally write Rumple & Bae’s past still exists somewhere, surely they can be used again to change Rumple & Bae’s past.
Unless the Author of that story meddled as well, the quill didn’t create that past, only recorded it.
Ok, so this Author’s quill and ink can only change the past that it created and A&E have confirmed that Isaac did not write Rumple & Bae’s earlier story. For me that says that there’s still hope for the future. If the quill and ink used to originally write Rumple & Bae’s past still exists somewhere, surely they can be used again to change Rumple & Bae’s past.
Don’t think it works that way, because Rumple and Isaac seemed to imply that the Author still had to abide by the laws of magic.
That’s not what I took from the conversation. Rumple: “Magic can’t bring back the dead.” Isaac: “No, it can’t. THIS quill and ink CAN only CHANGE a past IT has created.”
Isaac just admitted that his quill & ink can change the past of any story it created. It just can’t change Rumple’s because they were never used to write his story hundreds of years ago. We know how carefully Adam & Eddie choose their word and there’s a reason why they’ve told us Isaac isn’t the author who wrote Rumple & Bae’s original story. They are up to something.
Surely they know how the fans feel about Baelfire and they showed us that Bae is Rumple’s true happy ending. I can’t help but seeing Bae as the end game in Rumple’s story. They are setting it up.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Don’t think it works that way, because Rumple and Isaac seemed to imply that the Author still had to abide by the laws of magic.
Which we’ve seen can be broken, ad nauseam, as in the examples I provided already.
Those examples had their loopholes, whether you like them or not. Phillip had his soul removed, but Cora clearly mentioned how souls could be restored. Blue had her shadow ripped out and killing Pan’s shadow reverted that. With Maleficent they established that Regina put a preservation form on her, so she was never completely dead. Rumple is the Dark One with its own set of rules, and he never died the traditional way of having somebody else stab him with the dagger. And Rumple’s resurrection came at the cost of Neal’s death. Zelena stated that she never actually died, and Rumple only assumed that she did. Zelena was a case of thinking she was dead, when she never died in the first place, like what happened with Blackbeard, so that technically does not break the rule. The most handwavy examples are Charming and Anastasia. Charming should have died via a heart crush, but maybe there’s a cost to sharing a heart that we have yet to see. Like if Snow dies, maybe Charming would have to die along with her. It was a gamble to attempt it in the first place, and maybe it doesn’t work for just anyone, because Snow and Charming have been presented as the show’s ultimate true love couple. Anastasia was Nyx making an exception, possibly as repayment for stopping Jafar and restoring the water. Point is, you can’t just open up the possibility of just anybody being resurrected, because what happens to the stakes when you can just bring anybody back from the dead? I agree that the above loopholes are annoying, but you do have to draw the line somewhere.
That’s not what I took from the conversation. Rumple: “Magic can’t bring back the dead.” Isaac: “No, it can’t. THIS quill and ink CAN only CHANGE a past IT has created.”
Isaac just admitted that his quill & ink can change the past of any story it created. It just can’t change Rumple’s because they were never used to write his story hundreds of years ago. We know how carefully Adam & Eddie choose their word and there’s a reason why they’ve told us Isaac isn’t the author who wrote Rumple & Bae’s original story. They are up to something.
Surely they know how the fans feel about Baelfire and they showed us that Bae is Rumple’s true happy ending. I can’t help but seeing Bae as the end game in Rumple’s story. They are setting it up.
But the Author isn’t supposed to change things. That was what got Isaac imprisoned in the first place. And going back to the original Rumple and Baelfire story and changing it would risk retconning way too much of what’s already happened on the show, which I don’t think is a risk the writers want to take. In the commentary for last year’s finale, Adam and Eddy mentioned how they had to painstakenly make sure most of the continuity still lined up from the time travel, and doing so made them admit that they never want to do time travel again. And based on set photos from the finale, Isaac and Rumple’s story clearly gets undone.
Surely they know how the fans feel about Baelfire and they showed us that Bae is Rumple’s true happy ending. I can’t help but seeing Bae as the end game in Rumple’s story. They are setting it up.
I think Rumps endgame will be sacrificial death. But I do think Bae would be the endgame to HENRY’S story and his HE. Even if his parents aren’t together, atleast they are both there and that’s something.
Anastasia was Nyx making an exception
But still, this establishes that the dead can be brought back. If Jafar ever finds his way to SB and tells everyone of what happened, it’s entirely possible Bae could be resurrected. Maybe if Nyx felt the need to, she could resurrect him as well. It’s possible based on things we have seen on the show, or better yet in WL, that the dead is dead rule doesn’t have to apply if you know what to do or who to go to.
Its POSSIBLE Bae COULD be resurrected. Whether he will is unlikely, but it is POSSIBLE.
But for now, we know that will not be the case for this season. So back to this sneak peek though. So Isaac confirms that he is not from the EF, so that’s something."I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICIf they had no intention of changing Rumple’s past, they would have had Isaac say, “NO quill or ink can change the past.” They didn’t. Instead they were ambiguous and left us with the fact that another quill & ink can in fact change Rumple’s past.
This current rewrite will not play out in the end of the finale, but that doesn’t mean another future rewrite won’t OR that perhaps the whole story we’ve been watching over the pat 4 seasons has been the result of an earlier author tampering with the book.
I know we don’t see eye to eye on this, but I’m keeping an open mind about this and I can see future possibilities. A&E were careful with their words and left us with a possibility of another quill & ink being able to change Rumple’s story. That in itself is something. 🙂
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Those examples had their loopholes, whether you like them or not….Point is, you can’t just open up the possibility of just anybody being resurrected, because what happens to the stakes when you can just bring anybody back from the dead? I agree that the above loopholes are annoying, but you do have to draw the line somewhere.
But my point is, magical rules are not insurmountable or impossible to overcome. There’s always a loop hole! For Pete’s sake, Zelena’s time-travel spell worked, even though it’s against the laws of magic! There’s always a loop-hole!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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