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Yeah I’m not so sure the writers aren’t going to do that. They called episode 311 a reset button. This would be the ultimate reset.
The other thing is that it’s been stated that Operation Mongoose will last into the 2nd half of the Season, so it also sounds too soon for Regina to find the author and get them to change things.
[adrotate group="5"]Yeah I’m not so sure the writers aren’t going to do that. They called episode 311 a reset button. This would be the ultimate reset.
The other thing is that it’s been stated that Operation Mongoose will last into the 2nd half of the Season, so it also sounds too soon for Regina to find the author and get them to change things.
Who says it involves finding the author? If they have a sorcerer and a fortune teller and a magic hat, you don’t necessarily need the book writer–especially if the real is then writing the book back to what it was originally given all the changes that would be made.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Who says it involves finding the author? If they have a sorcerer and a fortune teller and a magic hat, you don’t necessarily need the book writer–especially if the real is then writing the book back to what it was originally given all the changes that would be made.
Interesting. So I guess these potential changes would be temporary, if they do happen. For example, say if Regina did meet Robin Hood at the tavern and had her so called “happy ending” with him, I imagine Regina will somehow realize that things feel incomplete without Henry being a part of her life, and that will prompt to reversing all of this. The theme about Season 4B could be about the acceptance of fate and how your own decision making writes it. You can’t just use force to get what you want. You have to properly work for it.
Who says it involves finding the author? If they have a sorcerer and a fortune teller and a magic hat, you don’t necessarily need the book writer–especially if the real is then writing the book back to what it was originally given all the changes that would be made.
Interesting. So I guess these potential changes would be temporary, if they do happen. For example, say if Regina did meet Robin Hood at the tavern and had her so called “happy ending” with him, I imagine Regina will somehow realize that things feel incomplete without Henry being a part of her life, and that will prompt to reversing all of this. The theme about Season 4B could be about the acceptance of fate and how your own decision making writes it. You can’t just use force to get what you want. You have to properly work for it.
Exactly. That’s my big theory fro the moment. The writers have been hammering, lately, stuff like “the book made me a villain” and I might be disillusioned with the show, but not to the extent that I think they are going actually say that these people did not do bad/terrible things. The point of redemption isn’t to whitewash them away but to learn to accept it. 4B will set up the idea that everyone’s fates got changed but it wasn’t actually for the better and that you have to “write” the wrongs (see what I did there?) of trying to rewrite them in the first place.
So 4B ends, essentially, with us all back to where we left off–villains and heroes–but the villains have now learned an incredible valuable lesson about fate and the nature of their actions.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Can we please NOT go back and change the past? I mean, things are complicated enough already. Curse, past curse, 1st curse, 2nd curse, cursed memories, stolen memories, Storybrooke personalities vs enchanted forest personalities. Realms vs worlds. Soul mates vs true love. Heroes vs villains. Fate vs choice.
I like some things to remain constant. Like Snow. I’m happy in my Snow globe of goodness. I’m happy that Snow always represents good. (Except for that one time when she slept with Archie, and that other time when she accidentally on purpose killed Cora). But, whatever. I like the good guys to remain good.
I’d hate it if the whole story changed and Regina went into the pub and met Robin.
I’d hate it if villains became heroes and heroes became villains. We’ve already established that our most evil villains have great capacity to be heroes. I’d rather concentrate on who they are today than who they woulda, shoulda, coulda been had they made different choices.
I’m gonna bang my head on the wall if I have to remember a whole new They hooked up at the pub vs They didn’t hook up at the pub storyline.
I’d hate it if villains became heroes and heroes became villains. We’ve already established that our most evil villains have great capacity to be heroes. I’d rather concentrate on who they are today than who they woulda, shoulda, coulda been had they made different choices.
I totally agree. The lines of good and evil are already so bendy on this show, and I don’t want any more alternate universes. The S3 finale was bad enough in that it rewrote Snow Falls — a beautiful story that didn’t need to be rewritten.
One thing that perpetually has interested, yet also vexed me about this show, is that the villains use their broken families to justify their evil decisions. Yet, the heroes of the show like Snow, Charming, Belle, Emma, Henry and Neal all had broken families, but you don’t see them running around using it as justification for mass murdering people. Sure, Snow, Emma and Neal were all thieves at one point, but at least they were only doing it for survival reasons. A lot of people put the blame on Snow for ruining Regina’s life, but very few people put the blame on Regina for ruining Snow’s life. Why is that? It seems like any reversal of roles in which Snow becomes a hardened villain while Regina plays the innocent victim is just going the fuel the hate for Snow while exciting the love for Regina that already exists in some sectors of this fandom. (And yes, I love that Regina has since reformed from her evil ways, so this is not an anti-Regina post; it’s an anti-anti-Snow White post). In fact, we already have seen Snow White casting the same dark curse that Regina cast, and Regina breaking the second curse with maternal TLK. So we don’t need any more role reversal, thanks.
And it’s not just Snow and Regina. It goes back to Neal and Hook. It goes back to Regina and Henry. It now includes Regina and Emma. It includes arguments about who’s more morally wrong: Hook, Regina, or Rumple when the reality is that they’ve ALL done bad things. It shouldn’t matter that Hook has only killed a handful of people while Rumple and Regina have killed many. Murder is still murder. It’s wrong. I just wish the show would stop using magical high jinx to rewrite history. I think at the end of the day, the villains have to take moral responsibility and not fob off the blame onto the storybook or fate.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
There’s only one scenario where I would be fine with Regina entering the pub and meeting the man with the Lion tattoo.
It plays out like this…Tink leads Regina to the pub, telling her that the man inside, the man with the lion tattoo is her One True Love.
Regina sees the tattoo, but balks, and walks away from her destiny. Moments later she rethinks, turns back, and enters the pub looking for the Lion.
However, in the interim, while Regina balks, two strangers cross paths within the pub. In that moment the man with the lion tattoo leaves his seat and walks out through the back door, crossing paths another man who walks in through the same door and sits in Robin’s empty chair.
In walks Regina. And it is revealed that Oaken, now seated in Robin’s chair also has a lion tattoo.
And, Tink is banished for naughty-fairy behavior.
Yeah I’d be fine with that. Cuz if you change the past, but neglect the little minor details, anything’s possible.
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