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Hook and Belle search for a way to release the fairies from the Sorcerer’s hat,
One of the little things I have actually appreciated is that Belle throws shade at Hook just about any time they interact, which is fitting because, ya know, those multiple violent attacks he subjected her to that could have killed her multiple times. If they’re now just being buddy buddy and working together and she’s cool with him, I’ll be annoyed. Also, if everyone isn’t aware that he’s the one who put the Fairies into the Hat in the first place, I’ll be annoyed. And if they do know but he just gets a free pass because “Rumple made me do it,” I’ll be annoyed.
[adrotate group="5"]But when a terrifying darkness descends on the town, Emma and Regina are forced to confront the true nature of evil.
Maybe I’m sounding like DO, but….could this actually be Chernabog? He is what I think of when I think of an entity of darkness. I guess if our Season 4A opener started out with Marshmallow (Snow Monster) on the loose, it’s not that far-fetched that the Season 4B opener would open up with Chernabog wreaking havoc. Though if it was him, then Chernabog would just be a Monster of the Week rather than a serious Big Bad.
YAY!…But also aw. Oh well Chernabog in ONCE in army form is good for me I guess.
But when a terrifying darkness descends on the town, Emma and Regina are forced to confront the true nature of evil.
Maybe I’m sounding like DO, but….could this actually be Chernabog? He is what I think of when I think of an entity of darkness. I guess if our Season 4A opener started out with Marshmallow (Snow Monster) on the loose, it’s not that far-fetched that the Season 4B opener would open up with Chernabog wreaking havoc. Though if it was him, then Chernabog would just be a Monster of the Week rather than a serious Big Bad.
I can dig it but…. Idk. It seems a bit early to introduce that level of Evil so early on. However, remember the script tease we had of someone talking to some kind of mysterious figure of something. Maybe that has something to do with it. Maybe it is Chernabog… But if it is, theyd better not just have him be a one time thing.
Perhaps they’ll treat Chernabog like the first on Buffy. He’ll appear in one episode, is seemingly defeated but is secretly lying in wait for the moment to strike, then will be the final season villain.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOne of the little things I have actually appreciated is that Belle throws shade at Hook just about any time they interact, which is fitting because, ya know, those multiple violent attacks he subjected her to that could have killed her multiple times. If they’re now just being buddy buddy and working together and she’s cool with him, I’ll be annoyed. Also, if everyone isn’t aware that he’s the one who put the Fairies into the Hat in the first place, I’ll be annoyed. And if they do know but he just gets a free pass because “Rumple made me do it,” I’ll be annoyed.
I agree with this 100%. Belle can work with Hook out of necessity and not be all “Oh Hook, you’re the greatest! I’ll just conveniently forget about all the times you tried to kill me because you’re such a great guy!” Also I think Hook had more free will then he made out even with Rumple in possession of his heart. Until Rumple was actually puppeting Hook with the heart during the conversation with Emma (even then Hook still managed to grab Emma’s hand to let her know something was wrong), Hook could have still defied Rumple. For example, Graham freed Charming when Regina had his heart in the EF. Considering Rumple couldn’t kill Hook until a certain time, there was no reason why Hook couldn’t have made things as difficult as possible for Rumple really.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI feel like I have to step in here because every time I read about this reverse blaming the victim thing, it makes me sick. Why? Because Hook was clearly the victim in 4A.
Rumple strapped him to a fence, reached into his chest and pulled out his bright red heart, forcing him to become his slave. So Rumple could go on doing all that shady stuff and essentially have his hands and conscious clean.
Hook did not want to do Rumple’s bidding but he really had no choice because again, Rumple had his heart. Rumple even referred to Hook as his pet (like how Regina referred to the huntsman as her pet).
Speaking of the huntsman, I’m not any delusions there that he probably did stuff for Regina that he did not want to do either. But he had no choice but to do them because again, Regina had his heart and she could kill him any time. But you know, we don’t hate on Graham for doing Regina’s bidding because 4 1/2 seasons later, he is still loved by the fandom.
Did Hook makes mistakes in 4A? Yes, he did. But that did NOT warrant Rumple taking his heart and controlling him as a puppet. No, just no. Plus, from what I gather from Eddy’s attitude, that most people will understand that he had no control over the situation and he was the victim. Rumple was the villain.
Rumple was my favorite too for many seasons and he did a lot of stuff I am simply not happy with this season and I can’t defend him. I can’t find a reason to defend him.
I’m super excited about a Belle/Hook friendship and I think Belle will understand, given how she was there and saved Hook from Rumple, that he was not in control over what he was doing. Rumple was.
[steps off soap box]
I agree that once Rumple had Hook’s heart, Hook is off the hook for his subsequent behaviors (though I -am- disappointed that the writers didn’t allow him to even try to alert Belle to what was going on at that point).
However, he had his heart for half the arc, and still did some shady stuff. He tried to blackmail and manipulate Rumple (dumb move), beat up Will over nothing, and (while he had put himself into a difficult situation at that point) did help Rumple hat the apprentice. Those things were all before his heart was taken; his culpability for the worst bits is a bit mixed because Rumple was manipulating him, but he sparked that off by trying to do the same to Rumple.
And in balancing Hook’s character we do have to keep in mind that he’s very much neutral on the good-evil RPG scale–he’ll pick whichever side furthers his personal agendas. When he’s pursuing Emma, who is far closer to the Good side, his behavior adjusts accordingly. So does Rumple’s when he’s pursuing Belle (and not thinking he can get away with stuff behind her back). When we get to 4A, it’s probably been less than six months since he attempted to kill one man and in the process condemned another just to get his ship back. He may have regretted the decision, but it’s still a choice he freely made, even post-Revenge mode.
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The difference between the huntsman and Hook though is that Regina could’ve killed the huntsman at any time so he had no choice if he wanted to continue to live, even then he defied Regina and helped Charming escape. Hook wasn’t going to be killed before a certain time, Rumple made it clear he WAS going to be killed so Hook had no reason not to do all he could to make things extremely difficult for Rumple because Rumple couldn’t kill him until the stars had aligned. Until the conversation with Emma where he WAS being puppeted (and still had an ounce of free will to grab her hand and let her know something was wrong), Hook could’ve defied Rumple even if it meant Rumple ended up puppeting him every minute until the time was right. Unless the heart is being actively puppeted, the person has some free will.
Graham had to do what Regina wanted because staying in her good books was the difference between him dying and staying alive, Hook was going to be dead either way so why did it matter if he stayed on Rumple’s good side or not. You’d think he’d want to be a thorn in Rumple’s side to the bitter end.
Nobody is saying that Rumple was right in doing what he did. At best, it’s a case of right motivation but wrong methods. But Hook is no innocent little saint victim.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’m not saying Hook is entirely innocent. I said Hook made stupid mistakes. But I’m also not going to ignore what Rumple did too. You’re going to place all the blame on Hook, fine but at least keep it balanced as far as Rumple is concerned too. That’s all I ask. Rumple is no saint either too guys.
As things currently stand, I’m not a fan of Rumple or of Hook, since both guys have done reprehensible things and both are guilty before the law of various crimes. Both men have targeted each other’s girlfriend in a sick and twisted game of outdoing the other guy. Both have done horrible things to innocent people. Whether Rumple compelled Hook or Hook did things of his own will when he thought his hand was cursed is not the real issue. The real issue is whether it’s advisable for Belle to form a friendship with Hook after he physically assaulted her and nearly killed her more than once. The only victim here in question ought to be Belle, since we’re talking about her and Hook, not Rumple and Hook.
Will Hook ever sincerely apologize to her? Is he really sorry for attempting to murder Belle? Yes, Hook offered an “apology” of sorts to Belle when Emma made him, but is Hook really sorry in his heart for assaulting Belle? Hook’s “apology” in S3a seemed forced and fake, like a 5-year-old who is forced by his mom to apologize to his younger sibling for hitting her but is not truly sorry for his actions. Perhaps, we will see Hook truly apologize to Belle in 4×12 and thank her for saving his life. If that is the case and Hook is sincerely pennant for his mistreatment of Belle, only then will it be morally acceptable for Belle to offer him real friendship, because Belle was the victim of Hook’s crimes against her, not the other way around.
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