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November 15, 2015 at 10:03 pm #312538RumplesGirlKeymaster[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 15, 2015 at 10:25 pm #312557WickedRegalParticipant
(Order of my reaction watching this promo.)
*Watches Promo*
*Sighs*
*Sips Tea*
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
November 16, 2015 at 8:01 am #312637RumplesGirlKeymasterLemme get this straight. In 508 Hook tells Emma all about how he’s a changed man and how she’s the reason and blah blah blah, ‘ship stuff. But now that he has his memories back and knows that Emma turned him into a Dark One, he suddenly feels the need to go and challenge Not A Dark One! Cripple! Rumple to a fight (to the death!!!!!–probably) even though in 504 it was all “I was villain in that story!”
The darkness has been akin to a parasite with actual symptoms yet Hook displayed *none* of those this season in present day. None. Zilch. Squat. And now suddenly he’s all Dark One! Hook
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 16, 2015 at 8:29 am #312640FelieParticipantAre they going to kill Hook off this season? It seems only logical to remove the DO powers from Hook (which would kill him, from what we saw in ep 8, or was that just if the sword was destroyed?), since he obviously just reverts back to his old evil self within like 3 seconds of discovering his new powers.
They could either put his power into Emma (super-duper Dark One), or put it into someone/something else (like the sword) and destroy it, or maybe do it some other way.
OMGTOPICIDEA!!!!!!
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"November 16, 2015 at 8:39 am #312643KebParticipantThe fact that Rumple and Belle made it into the promo is about all that I care about with this ep right now. *sigh* Bet that’s 90% of their screentime right there, too–probably 99% of Belle’s.
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November 16, 2015 at 11:07 am #312649SlurpeezParticipantHook: “I want to hurt you like you hurt me.”
Okay then. I get that Hook is amped up on dark magic, yet this vengeful quality does not bode well for Emma.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
November 16, 2015 at 1:42 pm #312658KebParticipantHook has never been a completely healthy choice for Emma–they might truly love each other, but Hook has always been vengeful, prone to things like blackmail even at the height of his goodness, and has stated over and over that he’s only reforming for her sake. So what happens if he loses her? (I admit that’s the fear he’s been dealing with this season–he knows he’ll go back to the dark side without his savior raft.)
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November 17, 2015 at 3:35 pm #312763nevermoreParticipantBut now that he has his memories back and knows that Emma turned him into a Dark One, he suddenly feels the need to go and challenge Not A Dark One! Cripple! Rumple to a fight (to the death!!!!!–probably) even though in 504 it was all “I was villain in that story!”
*Watches promo. #headdesks*
Hook admittedly killed someone for drinking wine. (To paraphrase Lily Sparks’ review). He’s probably just going down the list of the people who ever slighted him. Emma, being the current DO, is too big a chunk to bite off, but Cripple!Rumple will do nicely.
Except for Emma, the revenge thing seems to be a big part of the DO characterization, and is a big theme this season. Nimue was/is very much revenge-driven. Rumple was somewhat more casually vengeful (*whoosh -> slug -> squish*) — but the core of his character was the search for his son.
But Hook was already driven by revenge when he was human. As a DO, it figures that he’d be vengeful ^2.
I admit that’s the fear he’s been dealing with this season–he knows he’ll go back to the dark side without his savior raft
Right. I think if Hook is to ever grow as a character, he will need to stop projecting onto others his own sense of self-worth (or lack thereof). In some ways, he’s written similarly to Rumple — he has a tendency to blame (and seek revenge on) others for his troubles, and also attributes to others (Emma) the ability to save him/absolve him. The one big difference from the Rumbelle dynamic that I can spot is that I don’t think that Rumple ever framed his feelings for Belle as conditional, or suggested that he’s “conditionally” a good guy as long as his love interest loves him. Anyway, no wonder Hook hates Rumple so much — the two characters are “aspects” of the same archetype, especially now that Bae is out of the picture.
This is a problem, of course, from a narrative perspective. If you’re going to have essentially two of the same kind of character, you’re going to need to address this similarity. I think the writers are aware of this, but don’t quite know how to productively exploit the parallels. I think this is because they wrote themselves into a bit of a corner with Hook by making him a good guy/central love interest for Emma: the problem is that what comes across as Rumple’s character flaws are, in Hook’s case, spun, often unconvincingly, as “positive”, “vulnerable” or “romantic” — mostly through the acting, cinematography, and Emma’s reactions. But that doesn’t mask the underlying relationship structure.
Oops, sorry, that was more verbiage on this topic than I originally intended. #Hookrelatedwalloftext O_o
November 22, 2015 at 8:21 pm #312955MatthewPaulModeratorLQ of a new promo that aired tonight:
NEW PROMO !!! pic.twitter.com/aEcBqgoqg4
— jess (@i_kissed_hook) November 23, 2015
November 22, 2015 at 9:26 pm #312957MatthewPaulModeratorBetter quality version of the 2nd promo:
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