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However, Belle should have reminded him of the time he sacrificed his own life against Pan to save everyone.
This.
-Merida and Belle’s adventure. I wanted to be invested, but I just wasn’t. The storylines aren’t the same, but I was reminded of Belle being paired up with Mulan in S2. To me, it felt a touch repetitive.
More than a touch. This is Belle and Mulan (s2) and Belle and Anna (s4) over again. Every time Belle gets a centric, it somehow is actually another female’s storyline and Belle is just sorta *there* mostly prodding the other female into heroism.
Oh gosh, I completely forgot about the Belle and Anna adventure. (Weird, because that was much more recent than Belle and Mulan.) Enough with the Belle + Other Disney Princess = Other Princess’s Courage formula. It’s been exhausted… just like having your memories taken.
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However, Belle should have reminded him of the time he sacrificed his own life against Pan to save everyone.
This.
This times a million. Not only should Belle have reminded Rumple, she should have reminded EVERYONE during that farce of a meeting at the top of the hour.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oy, what a trainwreck. Now, I wish I could like this episode. And some aspects of it I did like, but overall, from a writing point of view, this makes some of the most slap dash, poorly edited fanfic out there look like it should win the Pulitzer. Seriously.
Liked:
The valiant effort by both RC and EdR to play their characters as if OUAT were still a character-driven show, while ignoring to the best of their acting abilities the ways in which Rumple and Belle have gotten retconned, and then re-retconned with every new season and episode. Seriously, the work they do with what they are given is really impressive, and that those characters still manage to have any semblance of continuity at all over the years is I think solely a testament to their acting talent. It sure as heck isn’t the result of the writing.
JMo as Dark Swan is appropriately chilling.
Rumple managed to pull the sword. Well, Ok then. I mean, good, fair enough. I am curious what the show writers will do with his new heroic status, if anything.
Zelena. I never thought I’d say this, but I actually liked Zelena in this episode. She really calls it like it is — and I sort of appreciate how she has her own agenda.
Merlin. The only part of the plot that’s even remotely interesting.
Mixed:
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Merida in fact was the bear. Myeh. Very predictable. And really, I’m not sure why this was necessary.
Belle and Merida’s adventure. I don’t object to it per se, it was fine as an idea, but its execution really made no sense. Why kidnap Belle? That’s just silly. Also, I don’t buy for a second that a bunch of patriarchally-inclined clansmen would simply accept Merida’s bluster. No matter how good she is with the sword, there was vastly more of them. It was one of those cartoonified moments that early OUAT was so good at avoiding, and now seem to be all over the place, especially since the Frozen arc.
Disliked:
Pretty much everything else. Unless the “heroes” (by which I mean the Charmings, Hook, Regina etc) are secretly all munching on fly agaric — or maybe breathing in fly agaric smoke — while no one is looking, there really is no reasonable explanation for their suddenly found total lack of awareness of what’s going on around them. I mean Arthur couldn’t be shadier if he wore a vampire cape.
According to everyone in SB, if Rumple loses his life that’s an acceptable price because he’s had so many chances. But Emma we totally have to save! OMG: get this through your heads, you hypocrites. The darkness has been canonically established to be a sentient entity that can corrupt even a SAVIOR. What does that mean? It means that Rumple was just as much under the influence of that darkness as Blessed Emma Swan. So it means we try to save BOTH. Because they BOTH matter and are family! COME ON. Remember when he sacrificed himself for his love and his son? For the town? He is worth fighting for, just like Emma.
All this. Actually, everything @RG said.
The only way that that whole thing makes any sense to me is if we decide to interpret the current state of the SB plot line as Storybrooke High. This is about who’s in the popular clique, and who isn’t. Rumple isn’t, and never will be — and when it comes to who they are going to help and who they aren’t, I actually sincerely think they wouldn’t lift a finger for anyone who isn’t “in-crowd.” And I’m going to harp on this again — it’s yet another example of how OUAT can be read as inadvertently, subtly classist. Rumple and Belle, after all, are the only “nouveau riche” in that crowd, and that’s the only thing that differentiates them from anyone else. Regina, the ex-genocidal tyrant, and Hook, the former womanizing pirate, or Snow and Charming with their babynapping ways, have exactly zero right to a moral high ground.
What I can’t figure out is whether OUAT is trying to present some sort of subtle commentary on the non-heroicness of the heroes (much like with the Snowing and the Egg plotline), or whether it’s just devolved into high school politics elevated into “mythological” level. I want to think the writers are self aware enough, but I honestly have my doubts.
–Belle’s adventure with Merida. I’m all for female friends going on bonding adventures but there was no sense to this one. Why was Belle in the jail to begin with? Why did she bring a book? Why did Merida “choose” Belle (just because she carried a book? Why not kidnap Merlin if she needed magic? Belle herself does not have magic, just a freaking book)? Merida’s overly long information dump about her father (shock! Child feels responsible for a parent’s death!)
When I was watching the sneak peek I was trying to figure why Bell was there at all but as the scene when on I think Merlin knew that Merida would kidnap Belle. And if thats the case then he actually didn’t need help breaking Lancalot out he just needed Merida to see that Belle could help. Which actually brings me to my first mixed feeling about this episode.
Belle using magic: I love that we got to see some more of this side of Belle but considering that she actually hasn’t used that much magic before it might come acoss as a little OOC for some people. It felt more like a “This is what she could have been had the writers paid attention to her as apposed to something we know Belle could do.
Liked
The little moments, like Belle giving Merida the potion and then casually mentioning that she switch the potion with water.
Belle telling Rumple that she already knew why he left the Ogre war and why he injured himself.
Merlins voicemail – that was so funny, also it may have been just me but did anyone else get the feeling that Merlin wasn’t talking about Emma when he said that the Dark One had found him? I don’t know just a vibe I got.
Dislike
Rumple at the Town line saying that he didn’t leave the Ogre war for Bae. We know he did we watched it happen. I don’t care what A&E try to convince us Rumple did not run away from the Ogre war for himself.
But over all I liked the episode
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No matter how good she is with the sword, there was vastly more of them.
Yes! I actually said, to my TV (as if it could hear me): “there are like 20 of you! She might take out one or two, but this is an easy solution. Just overwhelm her all at once and badda bing badda boom, she’s gone.”
It’s like those level grade B action movies where the villains all stand around and wait for the hero to fight them one on one and said hero manages to pick them off one at a time.
Regina, the ex-genocidal tyrant, and Hook, the former womanizing pirate, or Snow and Charming with their babynapping ways, have exactly zero right to a moral high ground.
Sweet baby Jesus…THIS. There is no moral high ground here! Not with this clan of morally grey (and often just straight up dark) cast of characters.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Likes:
Merida’s eyes are very expressive.
Merlin’s voicemail message sounded like something from a movie. I think he must have watched a lot of movies while he was a tree; maybe the theatre was the only place he could manifest without being summoned. I’m expecting him to quote Star Wars in a few weeks.
This episode did Terminator 2! Belle as Sarah Connor (“You can make your own fate” = “No fate but what we make”), Rumpel as John Connor learning how to wage war, and Merida as Terminator Hermione.
Dislikes:
Yes, Merida, we know you have brothers, and we know you’re on a quest to rescue them. Yes, you told us.
Puzzled:
They said the four-letter word that a bunch of people were so critical of them for not saying last week or whenever it was, but I’m not sensing a lot of warm feelings from fandom for it.
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I think @RumplesGirl pretty much listed everything for me.
I knew going in this was going to be a terrible episode….not gonna lie, I skipped half of the flashbacks.
Liked:
Zelena & Regina & Merlin & Dark Swan
Disliked:
Everything else.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Agreed with all the things people have already said they disliked about this ep.
Also…
In the past, the whole point that they were trying to get to by the end of it was that Merida wasn’t supposed to use the magic stuff, because if she used the magic stuff she wasn’t really, actually proving herself as a hero, right? In order to qualify as being legit heroic and worthy of being seen as such by others, she had to dig deep and do the thing to save the people she loves all on her own, yes?
But in SB, Rumple used some magic stuff to *poof* away the danger and that made him legit heroic enough to be able to pull the sword from the stone?
Am I missing something, or is this completely contradictory, thus contributing to this episode being complete nonsense?
Also, that fake bagpipe sound they injected into the score made my ears bleed. WHAT EVEN IS THAT? They do use an actual orchestra to record the music, yes? Newsflash, there are people who play bagpipes and can be hired to come and sit in on your recording and play the thing for you, so you don’t need to computer generate something that’s allegedly supposed to be bagpipes but actually sounds like a banshee. As the daughter of a bagpipe player, I was offended.
Puzzled:
They said the four-letter word that a bunch of people were so critical of them for not saying last week or whenever it was, but I’m not sensing a lot of warm feelings from fandom for it.
Zelena point blank said to Emma’s face that she killed Neal, and Emma didn’t react at all. Emma seemed pretty OK with working with the person who gets off on gloating that she killed Neal. And they had Rumple say that he hadn’t injured himself back in the day for his son at all. The way they used Neal in this ep was basically crapping on his grave, so no, no warm and fuzzies from those of us who love the character.
Writing this without looking at the other posts-will read them after I am done.
Oh this episode.
I loved the adventure with Merida and Belle, and Emelie de Ravin was at the best I have ever seen her.
BUT
After the whole thing with the snake venom I find it hard to believe that Arthur would be dumb enough to leave the evidence of throwing the mushroom in the fire…wouldn’t he check to see if it started to burn properly? Just like he stood about to make sure that the knight disappeared after drinking the venom?
I said this before and I will say it again. there is absolutely no need to have this whole thing with Merida to make Rumple brave. It would have been quicker for Emma to simply to threaten Belle’s life herself. I really can’t stand it when this show includes characters just for the sake of it. It feels like one big advert for Disney.I realise that this is shown on ABC but I have reached my limit with this.
AND the absolute worst
We got no explanation as to why Merlin was able to appear to Emma while he was in a tree and she was in another world. We were brushed off with ”never mind how I was able to do that…” type of thing.
Blah.
5/10
P.S did anyone else notice Merida’s wig slip when she scratched her head? lol
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Rumple throwing a bag of anti magic into the bear’s mouth for reasons,
–The plot in Storybrooke has come to an utter standstill.Quote
Yes how convenient that that bag of balls (pun intended) worked!
I am also irritated that not much happened in SB for the sake of one great long Brave advert.
No matter how good she is with the sword, there was vastly more of them.
Yes! I actually said, to my TV (as if it could hear me): “there are like 20 of you! She might take out one or two, but this is an easy solution. Just overwhelm her all at once and badda bing badda boom, she’s gone.” It’s like those level grade B action movies where the villains all stand around and wait for the hero to fight them one on one and said hero manages to pick them off one at a time.
Me too! I thought it was rather strange. I bent it to fit a logical framework by telling myself that they knelt before her out of inspiration rather than fear. The the war cry ”if I can do that with an arrow, you don’t want to see what I can do with a sword” fell on deaf ears and they were just awestruck. I know that what I am saying doesn’t make any sense. I just want to like this show. *sob*
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