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Does anyone think that perhaps the audience shouldn’t have been shown that Neal’s alive at the end of season 2?
Maybe, but pruly from a cliff-hanger perspective. Yet, I think too many fans would’ve been utterly devastated on the one hand, while on the flip side, another sector of fans would be too gleefully delighted by that turn of events. E&A are actually smart to placate all groups. They want as many fans as possible to keep watching.
[adrotate group="5"]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Does anyone think that perhaps the audience shouldn’t have been shown that Neal’s alive at the end of season 2?
Maybe, but pruly from a cliff-hanger perspective. Yet, I think too many fans would’ve been utterly devastated on the one hand, while on the flip side, another sector of fans would be too gleefully delighted by that turn of events. E&A are actually smart to placate all groups. They want as many fans as possible to keep watching.
True, but I think by not showing Neal’s alive, the emotional stuff of finding out he was alive would’ve been more epic. The fans would’ve felt what Emma was feeling. They may have even come round to the idea of CaptainSwan then Bam! Neal turns up alive and it changes everything.
Not showing Neal alive could have been a real opportunity to have the audience’s feeling in line with Emma’s feelings.
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Keeper of FelixOnce Upon a Time Bosses Tease the Dark Trip to Neverland & Lighting Round 8
Neverland is a place where anything you imagine can come true — which is both good and bad news for Once Upon a Time’s ragtag group of fairy tale characters.
When Once kicks off its third season on Sunday (8/7c, ABC), Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin), Prince Charming (Josh Dallas), Emma (Jennifer Morrison), Regina (Lana Parrilla), Captain Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) and Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle) head to Peter Pan’s homeland to rescue Henry (Jared Gilmore). But having heroes and villains teaming up won’t be as easy as it sounds. In fact, it’s quite the opposite, as the Charmings have to deal with their foes and internal family issues all while trying to save Henry.
Once Upon a Time Scoop: Can the Charmings and their foes work together to save Henry?
Below, Once bosses Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis tease the third season, including the dastardly new villain Pan, Regina’s love interest and the fates of Neal (Michael Raymond-James) and Storybrooke:
Why the decision to send the group to Neverland?
Adam Hororwitz: Neverland is something we laid into the show from an early point. To finally get to go there and to get to explore it and unfurl all the things we’ve been waiting to unfurl has been really exciting.
Edward Kitsis: We want to make sure this season that we take the time to really get those character moments; to really have people question the things that have happened after two years. Greg Mendell (Ethan Embry) said to Regina, “You’re a villain. Villains don’t have happy endings.” You’re going to see that’s ringing in her ear. For Emma: “Am I just the savior? Is my job just to make everyone else happy? Why do I have this magic?” What is it like for Snow and Charming to actually take a moment and say, “She knows she’s our daughter, but I’m not sure she looks at us like parents.” We want to dive deeper into their character and their experiences and also have a kicka– plot and intensity that we always bring… Because Neverland is a place where you don’t grow up, then you have to confront your past. Our inspiration was the idea that these characters would have to return to who they were before the curse in order to achieve this.What can you tell us about Peter Pan?
Horowitz: There’s a darkness to Pan. Neverland is a place filled with magic and imagination and really, really scary stuff.
Kitsis: You’re going to start realizing what he wants Henry for, but like any good mystery, you won’t know the whole picture until you watch the whole 11 episodes.
Horowitz: We feel like we’ve really stripped our characters down to their core needs, wants and desires with a very clear mission of getting Henry back.
How soon will we find out who the Home Office is?
Horowitz: As we stated in the finale, Greg and Tamara (Sonequa Martin-Green) don’t know who they are working for and who they’re working for is Peter Pan. The Home Office, one might assume, is related to Pan. That’s cleared up pretty quickly.
Kitsis: Who the Home Office is gets revealed in the premiere rather quickly.How will the Charmings and their enemies fare working together?
Kitsis: Adam likes to call them the fairy tale Avengers. The first test will come when you face your first obstacle. At the end of last year, Henry was taken, there’s a ship going and we’re all on the bus. But when the bus hits its first speed bump, what happens? You have five leaders on the ship who all want to be leaders.
Horowitz: You have a common goal, but what happens if you get to it and when you get to it.
Kitsis: Stormy waters ahead, I would say.What’s the Charming family dynamic like?
Kitsis: We’re going to get deeper into it. For the last year, Emma realized that her parents were Snow and Charming, but they haven’t really had a breath or a second to really wonder what that means. We’re going to explore a lot of that family and a lot about how they feel about being parents or a child. To us, Neverland is a place where, because you don’t grow up, you’re forced to confront your past.Will you address Snow White fixing her darkened heart?
Kitsis: At the end of last year, she realized she made a mistake. This year, it’s about finding the hope. It’s the hope that Snow White always brought to us. She is the light. She’s going to see a lot of darkness and realize that the best thing she can do is return the light to not just her, but to her daughter and her husband. Charming realizes right now that he needs to be Prince Charming, he needs to be noble and be an example for his daughter and show her how you go about a mission with honor. Right now, Emma did not grow up with the benefit of those two, so if the Queen has a better way to get Henry and that might break the law, so be it. It’s prison rules.Lightning Round 8: Once Upon a Time bosses answer your burning questions
Will you explore the Emma and Regina dynamic, since they are very magical when combined?
Kitsis: We absolutely are. They go back and forth between hating each other and having mutual respect for one another. In a lot of ways, they’re similar. But when you’re similar with someone, you tend to fight with them. Right now, they’re unified in getting Henry, but you’ve got two women who both want to be leaders.How soon will we find out about Regina’s new love interest?
Horowitz: Very early in the season we are going to address Regina’s love interest. What that will be, how that will happen, that’s a surprise we want to keep for now, but it’s something we’re really excited about. It’s a side of the character of Regina we’ve only touched upon in the first few seasons. We’re excited to see more of that and more importantly, exploring her capacity for love.
Kitsis: There may be somebody out there for Regina. The question is: Will she open her heart to that?
Horowitz: What we want to do with Regina with respect to a love interest is not just put a love interest just to have one. We want to make this part of the larger journey for the character over the course of the show. This is hopefully different from what we’ve done thus far. We’ve see Daniel (Noah Bean) in the past with her and what she went through. We saw her when she was young, innocent and uncorrupted falling in love and how that affected her and made her into the person she is today.
Kitsis: And in a lot of ways, that’s all she’s wanted to go back to.
Horowitz: Right. Now we want to say, “Well, what happens when the opportunity for love enters her life now when she’s grappling with all these things and she’s become the woman she is, flaws and all? How can she handle this? Can she open her heart to it? Can she accept it? Will it make her better or worse?” That’s what we’re really interested in exploring this season.
Once Upon a Time heads to Neverland, welcomes Peter Pan, Tinker Bell and Ariel!Speaking of villains, Hook returned with the Jolly Roger to help the good guys. Has he really changed?
Kitsis: He Han Solo’d back.
Horowitz: He’s a pirate. He’s been a pirate for a long time. You don’t change on a dime.
Kitsis: You can change your motivation, but you can’t change who you are.
Horowitz: We have good instincts and bad instincts, but they’re all dictated by who we are at our core and that’s something he will wrestle with.
Kitsis: What he realizes is this pursuit of revenge has left him an empty life. So now if he gets a second chance, he’s going to live that life. Maybe it’s time to love again.What can you tease for Tinker Bell’s (Rose McIver) introduction?
Kitsis: Tinker Bell is one of our favorite stories this year. We tell you a story about Tinker Bell. She has a very surprising connection to one of our cast, and it’s not Hook because that’s a given. They spent time on Neverland.
Horowitz: Like all of our characters, there’s an origin story for Tinker Bell. It pays some homage to what we all know of Tinker Bell, it’s got a Once twist to it.
Kitsis: I do know you have to clap your hands and believe.
Horowitz: With Tinker Bell, we’re going to be seeing her very soon. In fact, in Episode 3.Will we see the Darlings again?
Horowitz: They’re so integral to the Peter Pan story. We have not forgotten about them. There is a connection and tie-in to what we’re doing with them as well.When will we find out what happened to Storybrooke?
Horowitz: It’s going to be a little while before we’re actually in Storybrooke.
Kitsis: We’re going to see Belle (Emilie de Ravin) in a very different form in the beginning.
Horowitz: She’s going to be hopefully the Belle we all know and love. We have a surprising way she’s coming into the story this year.
Kitsis: The first batch of episodes is really going to focus on Neverland and flashbacks.
Horowitz: But that’s not to say there’s no Belle.
What about Neal, who ended up in the Enchanted Forest?
Kitsis: He’s back home, but he didn’t want to go. We’ll find out why he ended up there. We’re going to find out his adventures because Emma thinks he’s dead. Neal knows the last thing he said was, “I love you,” and now he realizes more than anything that he wants to get back to her and to Henry, but he thinks they’re in Storybrooke. Luckily, he’s found Mulan (Jamie Chung) and Aurora (Sarah Bolger) to help him out.
Horowitz: Assuming he’s alive.
Kitsis: He’s alive!How will Robin Hood (Sean Maguire) fit into the Once world this season?
Horowitz: Robin Hood also comes back in a way that we’re not willing to spoil, but we will say that–
Kitsis: He will repay a debt that he owes.
Horowitz: We’ve seen some connections he’s had in the past and those will continue on in the future.http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Season3-Spoilers-1071416.aspx
Kitsis: You can change your motivation, but you can’t change who you are.
Horowitz: We have good instincts and bad instincts, but they’re all dictated by who we are at our core and that’s something he will wrestle with.
Wow do I disagree with Eddy. I think it’s kinda depressing and untrue to the themes of the show.
Horowitz: They’re so integral to the Peter Pan story. We have not forgotten about them. There is a connection and tie-in to what we’re doing with them as well.
Raise your hand if you’re starting to suspect Wendy Darling.
Kitsis: He will repay a debt that he owes.
Horowitz: We’ve seen some connections he’s had in the past and those will continue on in the future.
This is confusing. We know the debt is to Belle. But he is in the EF. She is in SB. How…?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree totally RG, I thought before they where saying people change like Rumble and Regina that is kind of misleading I think.
See Wendy is tied to PP she is PP partner–Wendy is PP apprentice, I think.
Yea, I still don’t get the debt that RH has to repay he is in FL and Belle is in SB. Unless it is someone like Mulan that he has to repay?
Rolling Stones:Q&A: ‘Once Upon a Time’ Creators on Having a Role for Kelly Clarkson
Fantasy showrunners also talk about reinventing Peter Pan, Ariel and other fan-favorites
Once Upon a Time creators and showrunners Ed Kitsis and Adam Horowitz are infectiously passionate when speaking about their fantasy-based shows. There’s plenty of intrigue ahead in Once Upon a Time’s third season, including most of the cast’s voyage to Neverland in search of Emma’s son, Henry; it premieres on 8 p.m. on Sunday on ABC.
The duo is extra-busy now in their storybook universe; they have a new sister show, Once Upon a Time in Wonderland, set to premiere on October 10th at 8 p.m. It stars John Lithgow as the White Rabbit and newcomer Sophie Lowe as Alice, and is intended to be a separate narrative that feels inviting for unfamiliar viewers while also offering some extra tidbits from the main show.
Kitsis and Horowitz sat down with Rolling Stone talk about fairy tales, Easter eggs and getting Iggy Pop to voice a druggy caterpillar.
You’ve had two great seasons of Once Upon a Time already. What can fans look forward to in season three?
Kitsis: I think what we’re really excited about in season three is that we’re on an adventure to Neverland and we’ve got the Fairytale Avengers off to battle an evil Peter Pan and save Henry. We’re very excited for people to see Neverland, meet Peter Pan, and we think the show is going in a really fun, magical and yet emotional direction. We’re doing the seasons in two this year. We’re writing eleven episodes in the beginning and eleven in spring, so this first section is Neverland and we’re really excited about it.Were you guys nervous about making Peter Pan evil?
Horowitz: Honestly, we’re nervous about everything, but that’s sort of our approach to storytelling. We like to find ideas that excite us and, if they make us a little nervous, then we head toward that rather than away from it. But as for Peter Pan being evil, our Peter Pan is not, as you’ll see, a black-and-white creation of good and evil, just like we like to think all of our characters aren’t black and white. What we’re excited about is peeling back the layers on our version of Peter Pan so you can understand why he’s doing the things that he’s doing, starting with taking Henry from our heroes.Kitsis: We always try to put our own twist on it so, for us, it wouldn’t be fun to just do another version of Peter Pan – just like last year, our Captain Hook is a lot different than other Captain Hooks.
Without going into spoiler territory, we know we’re going to see Peter Pan and Neverland as well as Ariel, and obviously there’s the Once Upon a Time in Wonderland spinoff happening. Any other characters or fairy tales that might be weaved into this story?
Kitsis: We’re going to be seeing Tinker Bell and we’re going to be doing a version of the Pied Piper.Horowitz: As well as continuing to explore Robin Hood.
Are we going back to Wonderland at any time, like in previous seasons, or are you going to leave that to the new series?
Kitsis: We’re going to leave that the new series.Horowitz: Wonderland will be strictly the domain of the new series. You may see something familiar from Once on Wonderland, but really, the intention is that both of these shows will be their own separate entities.
Kitsis: They exist in their own universes.
Horowitz: The stories that are taking place on each show are not dependent upon each other.
Kitsis: Yeah, we don’t want to overwhelm the viewer.
So there won’t be any crossovers at all? I know, for instance, that Once Upon a Time in Wonderland starts in Storybrooke.
Kitsis: There will be a couple that start in Storybrooke and we will see maybe one or two flashbacks.Horowitz: The streams will cross in some ways that are hopefully fun for fans of Once Upon a Time that are watching Wonderland, and hopefully the fans that come to Wonderland will get a self-contained experience that will have things that we hope will please fans of the greater franchise.
Kitsis: We really wanted to make sure that people who hadn’t seen Once didn’t feel like they couldn’t watch Wonderland because they hadn’t seen the other show.
You conceived Once prior to working on Lost, but after working on a show like that with such a deep, rich serialized mythology, did you feel allegiance to that kind of storytelling?
Kitsis: We had this idea when we were coming off of Felicity, which was around 2002, but we didn’t know how to tell it. We had a good idea, but we didn’t know how to execute it. It really wasn’t until we got to Lost that the writer’s block went away and we started to realize how you do a show like this. I would say Lost is kind of where we found our sound and we applied it to Once.As on Lost, there are tons of Easter eggs dropped throughout all the episodes. Do you guys follow that stuff online and continue to add them to play with the audience a little?
Kitsis: We try to write the show so that if people want to just lean back, have a beer, and watch the show, they can enjoy it, but we’re also fans in our own right so we also try to reward the people that want to lean in with a magnifying glass and see the Easter eggs. It could be as simple as an Apollo Bar or it could be hints we gave season one about Pinocchio, that he kept lying about having lemurs somewhere or something. So we do try to reward both viewers.Are there any in particular that you’ve dropped that you don’t think someone has picked up on yet? Something that has made you say, “I can’t believe they missed that!”
Kitsis: We’ll do random ones like when we called our werewolves episode “Child of the Moon,” which was after the Rolling Stones song. We called the original Dark One “Zoso” after Led Zeppelin, and those don’t get picked up as easily as when the clock said 8:15 [which is a reference to Lost].That could be an issue of the age of your show’s audience as well.
Kitsis: That could be. They’re not as big Rolling Stones fans as us. [Laughs] I will say, though, that they get everything. When we did August W. Booth, we named him after the guy who coined the term “unreliable narrator” and, we started to having him lying in scenes. Our audience is so clever and they’re so smart that they immediately picked up on it. So unless it’s some sort of weird, obscure rock reference, and they even get most of those, they get them. It’s great because you put something in and our audience is so smart that they get it immediately. And, by the way, there are things that you think you’re being clever and the audience figures it out a year before, so by the time you reveal it, they already know. Like when we revealed that Henry’s dad was Rumpelstiltskin’s son, we had that from Season One and we thought we were clever, but by the time we got to it, most of our audience were already anticipating it.With some of the changes that you make to these fairy tales, is there anything in fairy tale land that you think is just off-limits? Are there any stories that you just wouldn’t feel comfortable changing?
Horowitz: It’s funny because we try to challenge ourselves to find the coolest spin on these stories, and the things that excite us the most, but we haven’t thought about it in terms of something being off limits. It’s more about thinking about what’s the surprising way into these stories.Kitsis: Right, so for us when we first chose Wonderland, we went through the Mad Hatter to find out how he became mad. Once we added an eighth dwarf and killed it, at that point, we realized it was just a matter of finding the right story for the right character. It’s taken us two years to do Ariel, but that was because we always wanted to save her for Neverland, where we know there are mermaids.
I’m not sure if you saw it online, but Kelly Clarkson is super excited about Ariel.Kitsis: We love Kelly Clarkson and she has been our biggest supporter since day one. We are so honored because at first. I heard that and I was like, “That’s not true!” and then someone sent us a tweet we got from her and I said, “Oh my God, really?”
Seems like the perfect time to ask her to do a guest spot.
Kitsis: We will take her! Any time she wants to come to Vancouver, we have got a spot for her.One of the things that makes the large ensemble of characters on Once Upon a Time work is that all the various threads have some type of connective tissue. Do you ever worry about introducing too many fairy tale characters into this mythology?
Horowitz: Absolutely. You don’t want to overwhelm the audience and you want to, most importantly, care about the characters. For example, this season is very much focused on that core group who’s on the boat as well as Belle, who’s left behind in Storybrooke, and telling their story. What we always strive to do is, when we introduce new characters is find the way that they are connected to them, so that it’s not feeling like an island or a tangent. Rather than being a tangent, it actually enriches the story of the regulars.Kitsis: That’s why we were so excited, this year, putting those characters on that boat to Neverland and watching because, at the end of the day, Once is the story of a dysfunctional family. For us, we love seeing everyone come together and what we love so much about Neverland is really kind of seeing this core group get into it. Like Captain Hook, last year, was a new character but now, coming into Season Three you forget that he wasn’t in the pilot. For us, we always say it’s like Desmond and Ben Linus on Lost. You don’t realize they weren’t on the plane.
Rapid-fire question time: Is Rumpelstiltskin ever going to get to just be happy with Belle?
Kitsis: You know, if we answer that. . . I can tell you that Rumpel is searching for his happy ending and just because villains are villains doesn’t mean that they don’t want a happy ending. I can say that he is striving for that, but it is going to be very difficult and, where we last left him, he was on a suicide mission to save Henry. But that was, of course, before he knew his son was alive, so he’s going to keep striving.Are we ever going to get to see Maleficent out of that dragon state?
Horowitz: What we’ll say is that Maleficent’s presence will be felt again on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland.I know this is akin to asking you guys to pick your favorite child, but are you more excited for fans to see what’s new in Season Three or for them to check out the new series?
Kitsis: Both! (laughs)Horowitz: I would say that it’s an equal amount of excitement and nervousness. We’ve been living with both [Season Three of Once and the first season of Wonderland] since May as we’ve been cooking up and writing these scripts, so now we’re right on the cusp of everyone getting a peek at them and it’s like sending your children off into the world. It’s exciting and nerve-wracking and we can’t wait.
Kitsis: We’re so excited for Season Three and Neverland and, for us, we feel like it’s some of our best episodes yet. We’re the most excited for Neverland. At the same time, we love Wonderland. It’s so much fun. It’s a great new cast with new stories and it’s got its own vibe and it’s really like a trippy, dark psychedelic romance and we’re excited for people to get into it. I mean, the recent news is that Iggy Pop is going to be voicing the hookah-smoking caterpillar. Plus, John Lithgow as the White Rabbit. How can you beat that?
Can we please get more Red Riding Hood and more Aurora and Mulan?
Kitsis: Aurora and Mulan, we are definitely going to get more of them. We have a great arc for them in the first eleven episodes, and Ruby will be coming back in the second half because she’s on Intelligence right now but she is definitely a part of the show and she will hopefully be back in the latter half of the season.So exciting. Those characters, and the talented actors who play them, are great.
Horowitz: Yeah, we’ve got some stuff that we’re very happy and excited about for Aurora and Mulan and you’ll see them very soon.Kitsis: In the season premiere even!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Holy influx of articles, Batman.
Where were these like three weeks ago? So much piling on! I feel like a starving child who is been shown a delicious cake and then told that I am not allowed to have cake for another 2 days.
Ruby will be coming back in the second half because she’s on Intelligence right now but she is definitely a part of the show and she will hopefully be back in the latter half of the season.
Second half of the season, as in 12-22? That to me is odd because her show is benched until Midseason so I imagine she’d be busier come March. Especially since she’s no longer in Vancouver for her new show. But, I’ll take what Ruby I can! I think we’ll get a lot of hints to her.
Plus, John Lithgow as the White Rabbit. How can you beat that?
You forgot his jaunty hat!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sebastian Stan!!!!!! I summon thee back to the show 🙁
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICFrom the Rolling Stone interview:
Without going into spoiler territory, we know we’re going to see Peter Pan and Neverland as well as Ariel, and obviously there’s the Once Upon a Time in Wonderland spinoff happening. Any other characters or fairy tales that might be weaved into this story?
Kitsis: We’re going to be seeing Tinker Bell and we’re going to be doing a version of the Pied Piper.
Remember that theory that Peter Pan is also the Pied Piper?! Well, I think this might prove that theory true!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Wow do I disagree with Eddy. I think it’s kinda depressing and untrue to the themes of the show.
It does seem to conflict with the show, and what they’ve said previously, so I’m gonna assume he just worded it really poorly. Maybe he means something more like, even if you do bad stuff, that doesn’t necessarily mean that the good person who is at your core no longer exists, so it’s never too late to change your actions, and get back to being who you truly are. Or something like that?
Raise your hand if you’re starting to suspect Wendy Darling.
*flailing madly* I’m super intrigued to see how she fits in and what kind of person she becomes.
Are we ever going to get to see Maleficent out of that dragon state?
Horowitz: What we’ll say is that Maleficent’s presence will be felt again on Once Upon a Time in Wonderland.Awesome! Wonder if this means that the story of Aurora’s mother will tie into the overall WL storyline somehow?
Second half of the season, as in 12-22? That to me is odd because her show is benched until Midseason so I imagine she’d be busier come March. Especially since she’s no longer in Vancouver for her new show. But, I’ll take what Ruby I can! I think we’ll get a lot of hints to her.
Just tried googling to see if I could see how many eps Intelligence has been given. If it’s not a full 22, then maybe she’d be done shooting and have time to do some Once instead? New shows often only get a guaranteed half season to start with, so if that’s the case with Intelligence, they wouldn’t know if they’re gonna get picked up for the back half of the season until after it starts airing at the end of Feb, so Meghan may have some time off after shooting the first 13? Perhaps? I couldn’t find any articles that confirmed if they’ve already been picked up for a full season or not.
Remember that theory that Peter Pan is also the Pied Piper?! Well, I think this might prove that theory true!
Yes, sounds like it!
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