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”No story is perfect. It just has to start,” insisted Lucy, the spokes-girl for writers Adam and Eddy. ”Please forgive past and future plot holes/continuity errors and give our reboot a chance,” she might as well have said.
This episode was like watching a person desperately trying to pull themselves out of a deep hole in a muddy swamp, repeatedly losing the will to keep trying after each effort to extract themselves from the mud. Roni, Alice and adult Henry are all the show has to cling on to, but even they are not enough to save the show perhaps. The new Cinderella and step-mother just felt weak…tacky even, and I am just not interested in their story. And yes, we have a new big bad and a new curse with everyone feeling hopeless or feeling like something or somebody is missing, but the sense of urgency didn’t feel strong enough for me, not enough to convince me that the main characters collectively have a new overall goal.
However, the more Lana Parrilla I have on my screen, the better and I look forward to seeing her in the next episode.
Current theories:
Roni will hire Lucy’s mom as a barmaid, and then later give her a bar management position after the curse is broken.
I am not sure who the hero of season 7 is supposed to be. In season 1’s pilot, it was clear that it was Emma, but as the writer, Henry is not allowed to influence the stories, and therefore cannot act as their hero. Meanwhile Cinderella’s actress is too weak and does not have JP’s charisma. Any theories? This curse does not seem to have a ”saviour” built into it, so could be simply Henry and Cinderella waking up and breaking the curse via TLK, and thereby giving Henry his own story. I really hope it is not this because that would be rather boring and predictable.
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Took me forever to remember where I saw the actress playing LADY TREMAINE (took a trip to ImDB ) She was on BURN playing Fionia ….
Where are the other actresses and actors from … Any TV or Movie characters? I do not recognize to many of them… thinking on cable.
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.I almost feel like they didn’t wait til we liked Cinderella to show her trying to murder someone and then she didn’t even do it. I would almost rather she have killed the guy. The heroes aren’t killers thing is stupid.
I agree that the answer to how does the bike work is just that it is enchanted. The idea of his phone working is more stupid because he can’t call anyone. Though many people just use their phones as pocket watches, so maybe it was just like that.
Yeah, Cinderella’s acting just made no sense to me. She didn’t act upset when Henry told on her about her island fantasy, not really. She didn’t really sound like she was going to murder a guy when she went to get the prince. She didn’t even really sound like Lucy’s mother, she was just annoyed at her all the time and then too condescending and kidish in their one scene by the ferryboat ramp.
It was the first episode though and the pilot of Ouat had issues like this as well, with just too much overacting.
I usually like the present day scenes more, but all of the conflict they introduced will just be worked out. Cinderella will find a better job. Regina will keep her bar. Henry will write again. Lucy will get to move back with her mother. Cinderella will forgive Henry for telling Tremaine where she and Lucy were. They will all get their memories back. Those “conflicts” are pointless.
That and there was no character stuff introduced. Like will Emma believe and will she take care of her son like she is suppose to. The only character question i have is why does Tremaine treat her daughter like that. There was nothing else characterwise that i am wondering.
Alice steals the show this episode. By far.
Is Cinderella’s accent real? Sounds a little too deliberately Hispanic, like Jenette Goldstein’s Vasquez in Aliens.
Costuming on this show takes “Yay boobs!” too far sometimes. I’m not actually complaining, but I think it comes across as trying too hard for ratings.
The mean boss lady reminds me of Cat Grant from Supergirl.
Lucy really reminds me of Cisco from Flash.
Those portals? OUAT is part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe now:
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Loved
Alice! No matter who’s kid/grandkid/aunt/cousin/step-sister/wife/x-wife she turns out to be…she has me hooked already. She was easily the best part of this episode. She has a very Rumple vibe to her.
New Henry…it’s still weird to have a new actor, but I do buy this guy as Henry and even though I have some issues with the plot I think Henry felt genuine to his character.
Disliked
The opening scene…how can I believe that Regina Mills would just agree to let her son go off by himself (18 years old or not) to a random realm with nothing but an enchanted motorcycle and a leather jacket? To college sure. He could call home once a week from college. Let’s not even speculate as to why Emma wasn’t there. Barring a sleeping curse she would absolutely be there.
Hyperion Heights…I miss the sweet feel of a small town. It’s the difference between a cozy mystery and a hard-boiled type of mystery. I just don’t enjoy the setting. Shout out to all the mystery fans out there!
Roni’s bar – Why is she called Roni here again?
Rumple is bad again? ok so I don’t buy for a second that Rumplestiltskin has lost his memories to a curse. In all the curses we’ve seen he has been the one person too strong to fall for this nonsense, so why is he drowning a guy and then bragging about breaking his (or someone else’s) finger? I guess I’ll just go with him playing along with the curse until he finds the right moment to strike, but we all know the real reason is that the writers always need a 2nd villain to collude in some way with the big bad of the season and they usually make it Rumple because they can’t think of another way to write. If they’re going to continue to write him as a yo-yo villain I wish they’d write in some decent scenes to explain it all instead of being all ‘oh yeah he’s the Dark One sooo…that’s why’.
Cinderella…maybe I should’ve gone neutral here, but I realized that I really did not enjoy the changes to the Cindy story with her prince being evil (maybe he wasn’t evil. Maybe it was Lady Tremaine who killed Cindy’s dad and she killed the prince before he could deny being behind her dad’s death? That one I can believe). I also really disliked that Cindy was going to murder someone like that. especially if he wasn’t evil and it was Lady Tremaine behind it all. I’ve always thought that the ‘heroes don’t kill’ stuff was crap anyway. Charming killed Percival and nobody batted an eye. He and Snow have both killed in battle. I think ‘heroes lie’ would be a more accurate motto.
Lady Tremaine doesn’t exactly sing as a villain. I mean she’s mean for sure and killing the fairy was cold, but she just somehow lacks the menace of Regina somehow. Maybe it’s her disregard for magic that makes her feel toothless as a villain? Though she must’ve cast the dark curse at some point right? So she’s obviously not above using magic, she just doesn’t think it’s cool or something. Where’s is the second step-sister by the way? Did I miss a memo?
Phillipe…that is Maurice and Belle’s horse’s name. Not Cinderella’s. Thank you.
All things considered my expectations were fairly low coming into this episode so it wasn’t too bad by those standards. Oncers have certainly weathered worse. Alice made up for a lot of faults. I do think this re-boot plan was a poor one though. A final episode with Lucy showing up with all the season one parallels would’ve been fun, but a whole season feels a bit much to me. I’ve watched this story once before and with better actors and a richer setting.
Roni’s bar – Why is she called Roni here again?
I don’t know if it’s what the showrunners had in mind, but “Rani” (almost the same spelling) means “Queen” in Hindi.
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Where are the other actresses and actors from … Any TV or Movie characters? I do not recognize to many of them… thinking on cable. . . .
Drusilla is played by Adelaide Kane, who led the CW’s ensemble cast in the show Reign as Mary Queen of Scots for the past four years until the show was cancelled a season or two before it should have been. She’s worth watching and, mostly because of the actress, I’m curious about her character. I get the feeling she is also under her mother’s curse?
My favorite thing in this episode was getting a chance to enjoy yet another expression of Lana Parilla’s incredible vocal acting. That wasn’t our Regina’s voice coming out of Roni, not quite. It’s been slightly shifted (More weathered? Aged up?) Far more subtle than her Young Regina voice, but color me impressed.
Roni’s bar – Why is she called Roni here again?
I think it’s short for Veronica but I’m not sure what significance it has here in the story. The name apparently means “true image” but maybe the writers just struggled to come up with another “queen” name apart from the adapted “Rani” name like @Gaultheria mentioned.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Everything seemed to work for me – I had confidence in the reboot and I really think they delivered! I want to see more and I can’t believe it’s a week until the next episode.
There’s one element that works above all else for me.
Alice! She’s so much fun and I’ve watched her scenes in particular so many times over the last day and a half.
I think that the pacing felt a little off, and they could have slowed down the flashbacks a little. The show could have ended with Henry meeting Cinderella in the final scene, let us see his adventures through different realms throughout the first episode.
One thing in particular I disagree with is when people say that the people behind this show don’t care anymore, or that they’re phoning it in. This felt as far from that as possible to me. I think the costuming in particular, the writing in a different way, had a lot of heart behind it and I am so glad the show is still around. Bring on more seasons to come!
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