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In regards to Lucy’s awareness, I actually just recalled Lucy was present in the flashbacks of the FTL. So not only was she possibly born there but she should have already met the others who were there.
So….why is itba surprise to her next episode that roni is Regina. Shouldn’t have known this? or is Lucy not really “awake” but has pieced everything together from what she read in the book?
Good point. She must not be fully awake.
You mean at the end of S6? I think that was a flashfoward, not back.
The scenes of Lucy and Henry/ Lucy and Tiger Lily in EF 2.0 were flashforwards compared to when the story left off in S6 in SB, but they were actually flashbacks compared to the present-day in HH. Henry has aged 20 years since he left SB, and we know that Lucy is 10. (Never mind the fact that Regina hasn’t aged a day. Maybe Regina has been using magic to keep herself looking youthful).
I think the scenes with Lucy and Henry in 6×21 and 6×22 take place before our present day events and the darkness attacking Henry was the curse coming that brought everyone to HH. But that’s just my theory. It could have been a flash forward that takes place after the present day HH events.
[adrotate group="5"]You mean at the end of S6? I think that was a flashfoward, not back.
The scenes of Lucy and Henry/ Lucy and Tiger Lily in EF 2.0 were flashforwards compared to when the story left off in S6 in SB, but they were actually flashbacks compared to the present-day in HH. Henry has aged 20 years since he left SB, and we know that Lucy is 10. (Never mind the fact that Regina hasn’t aged a day. Maybe Regina has been using magic to keep herself looking youthful).
I think the scenes with Lucy and Henry in 6×21 and 6×22 take place before our present day events and the darkness attacking Henry was the curse coming that brought everyone to HH. But that’s just my theory. It could have been a flash forward that takes place after the present day HH events.
The scenes of Lucy were only flashforwards compared to the events of S6, but they are only flashbacks compared to the events of the present day in HH. The darkness that came for Henry was before the dark curse took everyone to HH. Henry had tasked Lucy with the mission of getting the fairytale book to safety. That is when Tiger Lily came and prophesied that Lucy would be reunited with Henry one day. Then we saw a scene in HH when Lucy knocked on Henry’s door and the fairy’s prophesy came true.
the watcher wrote: In regards to Lucy’s awareness, I actually just recalled Lucy was present in the flashbacks of the FTL. So not only was she possibly born there but she should have already met the others who were there. So….why is itba surprise to her next episode that roni is Regina. Shouldn’t have known this? or is Lucy not really “awake” but has pieced everything together from what she read in the book?
I don’t get how there can be any confusion about this. It’s clear that Lucy is fully awake and aware that Roni is Regina and Henry’s mother. Don’t you remember that scene in 7×1 when Henry met Roni? Lucy had explained to Henry that the events in his storybook were real. Lucy then stole Henry’s laptop and told him to get it back at Roni’s. He then walked into the bar and said to Roni, “imagine if I walked through that door and told you I was your son” to which Roni replied, “that would be a kicker.” Lucy sent Henry to Roni’s to try and wake him up because Lucy knows fully well that Roni is Henry’s adoptive mother.
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The issue is that we have no concept of time on this show anymore. And frankly, nothing really makes sense from an age/time perspective. We only have a handful pieces of information but none of it gels in a coherent way.
I’m going to try and parse this out…someone correct me along the way if I’m missing something.
–Adam has said a few times that Henry is not 28 (many people assumed he was 28 to parallel Emma in the Pilot thus making him a teenage parent like Emma) and is older than that. The casting call for Henry was for someone in their” late twenties to mid thirties.” Since Adam has said older than 28, we can reasonably assume that Adult Henry is in the mid thirties range.
–At least 20 yrs have passed for Rumple, Belle, and Gideon. We can chalk that up to time passing more quickly in the realm they lived in for so long to explain how Belle is already dead but Regina still hasn’t aged. This however makes very little sense because Belle was about the same age as Snow when the curse was cast (possibly a bit younger!) so we’ll estimate around 30. Only 3-4 years passed over the course of 6 seasons so at the end of S6 she would be 36ish. 36+20 = 56 which is most assuredly NOT how old they made her look with makeup and wigs. Belle, at her death, was about 75-80?
–If Henry is older than 28, but younger than 40, we can split it at around 32-35, meaning at least 14-17 years have passed since Henry left SB at the age of 18.
–However almost no time at all has passed for Regina from the time Henry left SB to the time they found each other in EF 2.0; so again we have to assume that time passes more quickly in the EF 2.0 than it does in our universe..
–This, however, is problematic if the Tiger Lily/Lucy scenes in S6 are flashbacks to the present day S7 HH stuff. Why? Because Lucy is 10 and Regina, Rogers, Tiana, Henry, Cinderella, et all have still not aged a single day from the time Henry and Cinderella met in the EF 2.0 even though at minimum 11 years should have passed (Lucy’s age + 1 year for courtship/conception). And if time is moving more quickly then everyone really should have aged.
–Therefore both statements that time passes more quickly in the EF 2.0 and that no time has passed for the characters when the curse was cast, despite living in the EF 2.0 for at least 11 yrs, cannot be true.
–So either the writers have given up and it’ll never make sense, the Lucy/Tiger Lily scenes are flashfowards to the present day HH stuff (ie: after the breaking of the Curse and is the plot of 7B and a potential S8), or there is about to be some serious timey wimey hijinks involving time travel, lands with times that do not function normally, ect.
I don’t get how there can be any confusion about this
I believe it has to do with the promo in which Lucy seems genuinely surprised to realize that Roni is Regina. Though, I think this is Lucy believing that Roni is awake and therefore no longer Roni
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"–However almost no time at all has passed for Regina from the time Henry left SB to the time they found each other in EF 2.0; so again we have to assume that time passes more quickly in the EF 2.0 than it does in our universe..
For a skilled sorceress, a fairy wand and a sample of blood taken at the appropriate age can be a reset button to keep a person young and healthy forever. Of course, that’s EF2 magic, which works differently from EF1 magic, but realm travel is easy now. But that would change everything, so it’s not going to happen.
Actually, I’d like to think that Regina must live out the remaining lifespans of all of her victims, because all magic comes with a price. Imagine the dawning horror she’d feel as that realization began to sink in.
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Slurpeez wrote:
I don’t get how there can be any confusion about thisI believe it has to do with the promo in which Lucy seems genuinely surprised to realize that Roni is Regina. Though, I think this is Lucy believing that Roni is awake and therefore no longer Roni
Yeah this is exactly what was confusing me. But previews can be deceptive.
–This, however, is problematic if the Tiger Lily/Lucy scenes in S6 are flashbacks to the present day S7 HH stuff. Why? Because Lucy is 10 and Regina, Rogers, Tiana, Henry, Cinderella, et all have still not aged a single day from the time Henry and Cinderella met in the EF 2.0 even though at minimum 11 years should have passed (Lucy’s age + 1 year for courtship/conception). And if time is moving more quickly then everyone really should have aged.
Great summation of all the info we know and trying to piece it together RG. I think it could go either way with the S6 New EF scenes taking place before or after the current events of HH. I still lean toward before and that A&E will either introduce a time freeze or de-aging macguffin, or more likely, they will expect us to think the characters wouldn’t look that different after the 11 year minimum. It’s silly, but I think they very well may go that route.
I still feel like Lucy is not fully awake but only has pieces of info. Again, she has not told Henry anything specific about their time before the curse, just that there is a curse. If it weren’t for the flashbacks I’d wonder if she was just a delusional child.
I also still think that Lucy might not be Henry’s biological daughter and that she has already been born in the current flashbacks. I just don’t see how they’re going to show us 10 years and the lack of aging otherwise.
–This, however, is problematic if the Tiger Lily/Lucy scenes in S6 are flashbacks to the present day S7 HH stuff. Why? Because Lucy is 10 and Regina, Rogers, Tiana, Henry, Cinderella, et all have still not aged a single day from the time Henry and Cinderella met in the EF 2.0 even though at minimum 11 years should have passed (Lucy’s age + 1 year for courtship/conception). And if time is moving more quickly then everyone really should have aged.
Yes, close to eleven years have probably passed since Henry met Ella in EF 2.0, and we still don’t know why any of the residents of HH look so youthful. We’re supposed to buy that it’s been more than a decade despite the lack of signs of natural aging. You are probably overthinking this (the way a normal, inquisitive person would), but these writers don’t care about the age of actors. The writes just hope we will stop being critical and just suspend our disbelief. Recall how Neal and Emma were played by MRJ and Jennifer in the Tallahassee flashbacks even though both actors were firmly in their 30s at the time but were supposed to be playing teenagers. Lana has also played a much younger version of Regina in flashbacks. Kid Henry was supposed to be about 11 or 12 for several seasons even thought Jared was pushing 14 or 15. It was totally ridiculous because Jared Gilmore was going through a major growth spurt at the time and looked like a much older teenager. The audience is just supposed to believe that these characters are a certain age even if the passage of time doesn’t make sense in terms of natural aging.
We don’t really know how old Lucy was supposed to be in the EF 2.0 flashback with Tiger Lily and Henry. Even though Lucy is 10 in HH, she might have only been around 7, 8, or 9 in those scene. Yes, the actress appears older than 7, but the writers don’t care about details like that. While we’re not really sure how long the residents of HH have been cursed, it could be anywhere from mere weeks to years. One thing I’m pretty sure of though is that those were flashbacks and not flashforwards because of the narrative structure and sequence of events:
(A) Henry told Lucy to get the storybook to safety, which she clearly did because it appeared in published form in HH.
(B) Tiger Lily predicted Lucy would be reunited with her father, which came true because Lucy found Henry Mills living in Seattle when she knocked on his front door.
The fact that those events have already come to pass in the story lead me to conclude that the scenes of Lucy from the season six finale were flashbacks that happened before the present day.
–So either the writers have given up and it’ll never make sense, the Lucy/Tiger Lily scenes are flashfowards to the present day HH stuff (ie: after the breaking of the Curse and is the plot of 7B and a potential S8), or there is about to be some serious timey wimey hijinks involving time travel, lands with times that do not function normally, ect.
The writers gave up even pretending to care about the T word. That is why they always write “a long time ago” or instead of giving us specific amounts of time anymore. Also, these are the same writers who cannot do math because in the pilot kid Henry said he was 10 on Emma’s 28th birthday, yet Emma told Cinderella 1.0 that she was 18 when she had Henry. The only way that could be true is if she gave birth to Henry on her 18th birthday, which seems too significant to overlook if true. The writers probably just messed up the timeline, as they’ve done numerous times before, which is why they no longer give specific dates or even vague amounts of time.
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Finally was able to watch this episode.
First i was scared to watch then my schedule actually picked up even more so I was unable to watch this one or the next in a timely fashion.
So onward to the usual procedure.
Like:
Ralph.. I need you to Wreck it. I love the Wreck Ralph nod.
Ivy reveals as the baddie we basically knew she was. (Deep down we knew it)
The Mystery woman
The Shadow Man Dr. F he was decent
The nod to Ray the FireFly
Regina speech to Henry
Mixed:
the acting
Dislike:
that truck?? they do know that was not a food truck??
thoughts: ???
more to probably come later.
Overall score 7/10
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