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November 19, 2017 at 2:22 am #344720GaultheriaParticipant
They aren’t going to cancel mid season, especially since no one likes any of the new ABC shows. Ten days in the Valley is already cancelled. Kevin Probably Saves the World is most likely cancelled. Inhumans is probably cancelled. Scandal is ending after this season. I think they are really hoping that American Idol will do a lot for them, which i think is odd, but who knows.
That’s the ratings climate today, but we’re essentially watching the show through a time machine. I’m guessing that last summer they wrote these episodes with a mid-season escape plan in mind, and that there hasn’t been time to adjust the season arc for OUAT’s relative success among the poorly-performing shows.
We might see the pace slow down a bit when the writing has had a chance to catch up to the ratings. Hurried plot arc resolutions sometimes get a reprieve, but that’s a mixed blessing when the reprieve is season 5 of Babylon 5.
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November 19, 2017 at 9:47 am #344722hjbauParticipantThe are still doing the same thing though that they have done in past seasons. They are plodding along, hiding things from the audience, just waiting for these big reveals as if these reveals are enough to keep the show interesting. The problem being they are not developing the characters.
Seriously, what do we actually know about Ella’s character, like real character, not cursed. She loves her daughter and being separated from her has caused a lot of stress. She thinks she killed Anastasia and that has scarred her. She willingly worked for Tremaine because of the guilt of what happened with Anastasia. She was tricked by Tremaine into trying to murder the prince. She will punch some guy and steal his motorcycle, so that she can more quickly get to the murder. She has some abandonment issues because of her mother leaving, but that was barely touched on. She is with the resistance, but they haven’t really done anything with that. She likes Henry, but she hasn’t been open and honest with him. There hasn’t been a lot shown between the two of them besides she can take care of herself in a fight.
Think about Emma now. She followed and arrested a guy because he wasn’t paying child support. That is her job, arresting criminals. She can take care of herself in a fight. She was lonely, but it scared her to death when Henry showed up in her doorway. She loved Henry, but she didn’t think she could be a good mother. She wanted to make sure Henry was safe with Regina. She would go toe to toe with Regina and Rumpel about what they are doing to other people that was wrong, about Henry, Snow, Ashley, Jiminy, Graham. She grew up in the system and the situation was neglectful if not downright abusive. Henry’s father left her and that caused trauma and she doesn’t want Henry to know. But when it came down to it, she is all punch back, be who you are, do the right thing. She took care of Henry even though it was scary. She became part of the town, took care of the people, because it was the right thing to do, because it was what she would do.
And that all came very quickly in the show. We are eight episodes in and i don’t feel like i know at all what Ella will do and i know very little about what happened to her to explain how she ticks. I knew very quickly that Emma would stand up for the little guy. Ella barely supports her own friends. She is constantly shown to be afraid of Tremaine in both worlds. I never thought Emma couldn’t hold her own against Regina or Rumpel. Part of it is because Ella is cursed and that has always been why Ella being cursed for a significant period of time was going to be a real problem for the show, but even in the Enchanted Forest she is shown to get walked all over. And now we are standing here with all the villains, Regina, Rumpel, Tremaine, Drizella, and Gothel, all of them except Hook, have their memories and none of the good guys do.
That is why what Regina and Rumpel are doing is more interesting then what Rogers is doing. That is why Drizella, Tremaine, Gothel, and even Alice who had her memories for a little bit, have become more interesting because we are actually learning something about them, whereas with Ella and Sabine and even Henry, they are all just cursed and their behavior is meaningless. Even the new Henry has not been developed properly at all in the Enchanted forest where it is actually him. Henry is just bland and weirdly attracted to Ella for seemingly no reason at all and has become somewhere between slightly boring to just annoying to me at this point.
They need to make me care about the characters and they need to do that by making me want to figure them out, by developing them, by showing us why Henry likes Ella, by showing her stand up for her friends and for Henry and for Lucy, not by showing her constantly getting walked all over by the bad guys.
November 20, 2017 at 12:49 pm #344757Jiminy’s JournalParticipantEdit: just remembered this show’s second rape-by-deception (and this show’s third rape overall). Much as I love R and Z, the show should have dealt with these if they were going to redeem them. As such, I really hope that Gothel is not redeemed. Still, it did upset me that the writers went that down that route AGAIN.
I’ve counted:
1. Regina to Graham (heart control)
2. Zelena’s father to Cora (claimed to be a king)
3. Zelana to Robin (impersonating Marian)
4. Arthur to Guinevere (Sands of Avalon)
5. Mentions of Hook getting women drunk
6. This episodeThere’s also the issue of Cora painting a lion tattoo on the SoN to fool Regina.
November 20, 2017 at 12:56 pm #344758GaultheriaParticipantI’ve counted:
1. Regina to Graham (heart control)
2. Zelena’s father to Cora (claimed to be a king)
3. Zelana to Robin (impersonating Marian)
4. Arthur to Guinevere (Sands of Avalon)
5. Mentions of Hook getting women drunk
6. This episodeThere’s also the issue of Cora painting a lion tattoo on the SoN to fool Regina.
Maybe also Tamara to Neal. We don’t know what they did behind closed doors, but he was only an assignment as far as she was concerned.
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November 20, 2017 at 4:34 pm #344768thedarkonedearieParticipantThat is why what Regina and Rumpel are doing is more interesting then what Rogers is doing. That is why Drizella, Tremaine, Gothel, and even Alice who had her memories for a little bit, have become more interesting because we are actually learning something about them, whereas with Ella and Sabine and even Henry, they are all just cursed and their behavior is meaningless. Even the new Henry has not been developed properly at all in the Enchanted forest where it is actually him. Henry is just bland and weirdly attracted to Ella for seemingly no reason at all and has become somewhere between slightly boring to just annoying to me at this point. They need to make me care about the characters and they need to do that by making me want to figure them out, by developing them, by showing us why Henry likes Ella, by showing her stand up for her friends and for Henry and for Lucy, not by showing her constantly getting walked all over by the bad guys.
Ella is a bad character no doubt. But I’ve enjoyed the twist they have given us so far, mainly because I can’t guess them. The last few seasons were so predictable. The fact that Tremaine could be Rapunzel and the witch was Gothel and Alice was Hook;s daughter…..unless you saw filming photos, you would never have guessed these things. Character development has been on the poor side for sure but I guess I don’t feel like it is as bad as you are saying it is. Given there has only been 8 episodes, I feel like I have a good idea of what Tremaine is like and what she wants, same with Drizella, same with Rumple. Ella and Sabine are atrocious though. And perhaps it is because they are cursed and haven’t woken up. I also feel there is just a lot going on and they are stuffing as much in as possible before they get canned. You have Henry and Ella’s story, the course and who cast it, Hook and his daughter Alice, Rumple finding the guardian so he can be with Belle, Drizella getting revenge on her mother, Victoria bringing back the only daughter she ever loved, Regina trying to prevent true love’s kiss to break the curse so Henry won’t die, the food truck, now Jacinda’s cursed old flame (Jack) is back in the picture for a love triangle….I mean there is a lot going on. Definitely can’t say it is boring.
November 20, 2017 at 5:19 pm #344773RumplesGirlKeymasterElla and Sabine are atrocious though. And perhaps it is because they are cursed and haven’t woken up
For Sabine, maybe. I found Tiana to be more level headed than Sabine (honestly the idea that you can make enough money to pay rent and get your apartment by making pastries…). Ella though….that’s a different story. We’ve seen quite a bit of Ella in flashbacks now and I don’t actually hold a lot of hope that they’re gonna convince me she’s a great character. Call it a mix of bad writing and the actress just not being up to the task.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"November 20, 2017 at 8:00 pm #344798onceaholicParticipantEdit: just remembered this show’s second rape-by-deception (and this show’s third rape overall). Much as I love R and Z, the show should have dealt with these if they were going to redeem them. As such, I really hope that Gothel is not redeemed. Still, it did upset me that the writers went that down that route AGAIN.
I’ve counted: 1. Regina to Graham (heart control) 2. Zelena’s father to Cora (claimed to be a king) 3. Zelana to Robin (impersonating Marian) 4. Arthur to Guinevere (Sands of Avalon) 5. Mentions of Hook getting women drunk 6. This episode There’s also the issue of Cora painting a lion tattoo on the SoN to fool Regina.
Oh yes I had forgotten about the others.
However, bad people do bad things. As I said, it is when redeeming/redeemed villains on the show do not acknowledge it or call it rape (or an alternative word that kids can hear) that I can’t stand it. These writers don’t seem too far removed from the Hollywood perverts, given the writing.
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November 20, 2017 at 8:05 pm #344799WickedRegalParticipantI’m half and half with this episode….some good…some bad.
Rating: 5/10
Liked:
All of Alice.
Regina dumping Rogers cake…lol…classic Regina Mills.
Mixed:
Why are you here Nick?
Jacinda?!
Dislike:
I think just about everything else….this episode was a tad boring for me.
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November 21, 2017 at 3:27 pm #344813Jiminy’s JournalParticipantEdit: just remembered this show’s second rape-by-deception (and this show’s third rape overall). Much as I love R and Z, the show should have dealt with these if they were going to redeem them. As such, I really hope that Gothel is not redeemed. Still, it did upset me that the writers went that down that route AGAIN.
I’ve counted:
1. Regina to Graham (heart control)
2. Zelena’s father to Cora (claimed to be a king)
3. Zelana to Robin (impersonating Marian)
4. Arthur to Guinevere (Sands of Avalon)
5. Mentions of Hook getting women drunk
6. This episodeThere’s also the issue of Cora painting a lion tattoo on the SoN to fool Regina.
The Mary Sue now has an article on the subject.
November 24, 2017 at 7:42 pm #344825PheeParticipantBest thing about this ep was the set for the Tea Party. Everything else was rather MEH.
More unneeded plot spaghetti through exposition with Ella’s sad family tale. Show me Ella’s life, stop telling it to me! It’s not helping bolster her character.
–Honestly, the Ella/her mother/the curse stuff would be more powerful if Ella wasn’t such a drag of a character (also if they would SHOW us this stuff!)
This needed to be a further back Ella flashback ep if they wanted to dump this bit of plot history on us. Just hearing a brief recap of what happened with Ella’s mother was pointless, it doesn’t make me feel any sort of connection to the story, or what Ella and her father went through. It’s the sort of story I could care about though, it could have served as a way to get us on board emotionally with Ella, but they botched the opportunity. Show us that flashback of Ella’s mother trying to get home, and instead ending up dying in Wonderland, and then maybe we’ll care about how sad it is that Ella lost her mother.
Instead of falling in love slowly over time, Henry and Ella have a necklace do the work for them! Geeeeeez, come on.
Lord knows that I’m fine with a necklace being a symbol of true love in this show, but the way they did this was infuriating. Maybe when they wrote it, they were anticipating that Henry and Ella’s love story would have come across more convincingly on the screen by now, so they thought this wouldn’t feel too early for magically glowing true love necklaces? But seriously though, now it just feels like they’re gonna full on fall in love because they saw the necklaces tell them to, and that just cheapens any genuine emotion that develops between them.
Nick is Jack? Jack a giant killer?
I was relieved that he wasn’t AdultBabyNamestealer like some of us had feared he would be. I was not relieved that he was confirmed as one part of a love triangle like some had feared he would be. I have to say though that a Giant Killer is actually a decent correlation to a lawyer, (provided someone is the right type of lawyer).
No one wants to be a Kathryn.
Actually made me LOL!
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