A Kind of Crazy Theory on How Rumple and Peter Met

[kfchimera]

What if that picture is not meant to be Henry, but Rumpel as a boy, only it was drawn after Rumpel was grown up? I was answering something in the “plot hole” thread, and I almost typed something about how it wouldn’t be fair for Emma or Bae to be undone to a younger age just to let their parents raise them, and then this thought struck me.

What if that is what “undoing” is going to mean–that Rumpel is going to be the one (temporarily) reversed in age, because there is a connection between the Dark One, & PP? So PP is searching for Henry, but he actually wants Rumpel, but he just doesn’t know it. Someone once put a picture up of RC as a boy and he does look a lot like Jared did when younger.

[RumplesGirl]

This is the only pic I could find of RC as a boy

He does look like Jared but that pic is so obviously Jared that I think it really is Henry

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[schaendlich]

@KFChimera wrote:

I just think it sets up some better conflict and dynamics, and Rumpel’s a bit over-used in a way, much as I love him.

I agree, Rumple is horribly over used. I’m just sharing an idea that came automatically to me when it was confirmed that they had met before. I like the idea of Peter being something of a Boogeyman, so a child Rumple is the first thing that comes to mind. I want Peter to be more than just someone that Rumple cut a deal with. That idea was also horribly over used by the end of the second season. 🙄

I think I still prefer the idea that PP is nothing but a shadow (but not the one we saw). The scene where Felix talks about the ripping is the scene where you see Felix’s shadow on the door next to Hook–it’s quite noticeable as all the boys walk out of the cabin next to Hook, and their shadows appear, and Felix is the last and his appears as well.

I remember watching and being glad that Felix was not Peter. However, I believe that saying that we haven’t met Peter yet, then introducing a shadow and then (later), introducing the actual Peter as a different shadow or anything even remotely similar to something we’ve already been told is not Peter, would be redundant. Also, A and E already said that Peter’s identity would be very important. They’re really keeping their mouths shut about it. So, making him nothing more than a shadow would really disappoint me. 🙁

From there I like the idea that Rumpel cut a deal with the shadow of some sort–originally we thought to find Bae, but that’s been disproven. So the other was that he wanted him to find the “undoing” boy. That seems off in the timeline. So now I think the deal was later on and it was ironic that Bae was there and Peter wanted Henry–but Rumpel did not know–because the deal he made was for that curse that Rumpel eventually had Regina cast.

I want a villain who does bad things for himself, because he is bad. I like a Peter Pan who is a terrifying force to be reckoned with all because he refused to get old. An actual villain. Not a deal gone wrong. I guess another reason why I appeal more to Rumple having a more innocent role in meeting Peter, is because Once has become almost boringly predictable to me, and having the standard: “Rumple made a deal or did something to someone as the D.O. and now it’s messing everything up” is even more overplayed than “Rumple came face to face with the stuff of nightmares when he was young, simply because forces greater than him are selfish”.

In fact, the idea of (insert here) and Rumple making a deal is the whole premise of the show. I just sometimes hope for a difference so that I can stay interested. I love this show too much to give up, or hope for what I’m expecting. I want a twist that I can’t see, and a deal is one not of them. It would be kind of boring. 😐

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@KFChimera wrote:

What if that picture is not meant to be Henry, but Rumpel as a boy, only it was drawn after Rumpel was grown up? I was answering something in the “plot hole” thread, and I almost typed something about how it wouldn’t be fair for Emma or Bae to be undone to a younger age just to let their parents raise them, and then this thought struck me.

What if that is what “undoing” is going to mean–that Rumpel is going to be the one (temporarily) reversed in age, because there is a connection between the Dark One, & PP? So PP is searching for Henry, but he actually wants Rumpel, but he just doesn’t know it. Someone once put a picture up of RC as a boy and he does look a lot like Jared did when younger.

Can I just say now that my mind exploded. 😯
Your idea…genius. It helps that Robert Carlyle looked so much like Henry’s actor does when he was young. It’s actually ridiculous how much they look alike.

[kfchimera]

😆 Thanks. I do think Rumplesgirl was right though, the picture is too spot on for Henry. Henry needs something to do after all, some reason to be rescued.

Those are also good points Shandlich that we need a villain who is bad for the sake of it, rather than sympathetic. The Blind Witch was the last one like that.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[RumplesGirl]

Those are also good points Shandlich that we need a villain who is bad for the sake of it, rather than sympathetic. The Blind Witch was the last one like that.

I do think it’s time for that. It is a standard fairy tale trope, the bad guy is bad for the sake of badness. Cora had potential but then they went and did her flashback and while it did not make me sympathetic to her, it did let me understand her. I’m really hoping PP is just a bad guy who wants to live forever and does whatever it takes to make that a reality.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Demileto]

Honestly, after ASOTM I’ll be really annoyed if they try to pull a “Henry is not really the prophesized boy” card, as it was a high moment for Rumple in the episode to accept his demise if it meant Henry lives and I don’t want to see that being diminished by such a revelation.

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@KFChimera wrote:

😆 Thanks. I do think Rumplesgirl was right though, the picture is too spot on for Henry. Henry needs something to do after all, some reason to be rescued.

Those are also good points Shandlich that we need a villain who is bad for the sake of it, rather than sympathetic. The Blind Witch was the last one like that.

Yeah, I know it’s obviously Henry (confused look, sweater and all). But I can dream. 😆
The Blind Witch was creepy. I want more villains like her. 😉

[vroni]

Eddy and Adam have said many times that the beauty of the show is that no one is completely good or completely bad and I think they have shown that to us on multiple occasions. Even with Cora they explained why she was the way she was – especially when Regina put the heart back inside her. We could see that with her heart she would have been quite different.

So I think it is really unlikely that they will introduce a character like PP, whose story is one of their favorites as far as I understand, just to make him purely evil – and thus, to be honest, boring. The interesting stories are the ones that show the internal struggles of people, which is why they killed of the Blind Witch so quickly. She did not have potential to be interesting in any way…

[Demileto]

@vroni wrote:

Eddy and Adam have said many times that the beauty of the show is that no one is completely good or completely bad and I think they have shown that to us on multiple occasions. Even with Cora they explained why she was the way she was – especially when Regina put the heart back inside her. We could see that with her heart she would have been quite different.

So I think it is really unlikely that they will introduce a character like PP, whose story is one of their favorites as far as I understand, just to make him purely evil – and thus, to be honest, boring. The interesting stories are the ones that show the internal struggles of people, which is why they killed of the Blind Witch so quickly. She did not have potential to be interesting in any way…

While I agree that they won’t have PP, of all people, be purely evil, I disagree on evil characters being boring. All of Buffy’s villains were and that was never a problem on that show; on the contrary, some of them were actually pretty cool, like the Mayor and Glory. On movies, characters like Emperor Palpatine and the Joker are pretty good examples of evil characters that are awesome.

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