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To answer that you have to go deeper by pondering when worlds are created in the first place. Maybe this world simply didn’t exist decades ago. The Author described it as a story, so maybe it was only created once it was “written into existence”, literally.
Yes but by whom? Because NL seems to be the big glare here. Barrie wrote Peter Pan around 1900 but we know NL was in existence when *Malcolm* was a child, at least 300 years prior to Barrie.
Also, how many decade-like timeless realms are there? Is there a depression era realm? A Civil War realm? A Roman realm? And why are some eras not separate realms but incorporated into the EF–like Mulan’s Fantasy! China. Why is it not its own space?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It seems to me that what he meant is that all lands we’ve seen so far are storylands.
The Enchanted Forest is probably medieval Europe land. Now that I’m thinking about it, it is weird that when Rumple was a child everything looks exactly the same as how it looks when Cora was young, and how it looks in Snow’s time. Or Killian’s uniform from his season 3 flashback that looked too modern to belong to at least 200 years before Snow&everyone else’s time. They don’t have time too.
I think now the only question is if The Land Without Magic is also fictional. Maybe it is and the Author belong to our world and he is writing the TV show…
You know what I can't continue with the dead people brought back to life list I'm out of space in the signature and now we have an underworld arc this is to much I quit why do you bring so many people back to life OUAT WHHHYYYY
Maybe they were going for something akin to that Doctor Who episode where every time existed at the same time?
I just… really don’t… know anymore tbh?
"so there’s this new show….."
"there’s lesbians in it"I think now the only question is if The Land Without Magic is also fictional. Maybe it is and the Author belong to our world and he is writing the TV show…
I hope not. I think once OUAT starts breaking the fourth wall, it loses its magic, jumps the shark and is completely and utterly ruined.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think now the only question is if The Land Without Magic is also fictional. Maybe it is and the Author belong to our world and he is writing the TV show…
THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING SINCE SEASON 1!!!!!!!!!!~!! I MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT AND ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> Im sorry, no need to yell, but its true >>
But yeah,anyway, i thought i posted this here already but isnt it possible that the advancement of technology and all that just ceased in the 1920’s era of Cruella’s world. They started out the same as every other land, cavemen, dinos, etc, but simply stopped moving forward around the 1920’s. Thats the easiest way to think about it.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC1920s Fictional London (and apparently many of the story realms) do not exist in time; they are just lands of stories. What did you make of this development? what does it mean for the other lands we’ve seen? Do any lands change or move in time? Does this means that nothing is “real” in the lands without time?
Yeah, that’s confusing, and leads me to wonder how the Enchanted Forest specifically seems to exist in time, since its very existence comes from the imagination of several different authors who recorded these stories in Henry’s book. As Lily Sparks wrote:
OUAT then made a giant leap in the internal logic of this hot mess: The realms we’ve been criss-crossing for the last four seasons are story realms that exist outside of time. Which is a piping hot, straight-out-of-someone’s-[butt] explanation because everyone in the Enchanted Forest has been tracking time almost obsessively, with all this talk about how the Savior will break the curse 28 years from now, and Aurora was asleep for X number years and so forth. So, eyeroll, but sure.
The Enchanted Forest and A Land Without Magic both seem to run on concurrent time (e.g. when Aurora and Henry were able to communicate across time and space and sync up their meetings). The EF is a work of fiction come to life though, or so it would seem since there is an Author who records everything.
Those questions lead me back to what Jefferson said in S1 about this world simply being “a real world” rather than “THE real world.”
Emma Swan: This is it. This is the real world.
Jefferson: *A* real world. How arrogant are you to think yours is the only one? There are infinite more. You have to open your mind. They touch one another, pressing up in a long line of lands, each just as real as the last. All have their own rules. Some have magic, some don’t. And some need magic. Like this one. And that’s where you come in.So clearly, there are many different worlds. We know that. We already know Neverland exists outside of time. But now it seems so does Alice’s fictional London as well as Cruella’s fictional London. But how do we account for the Enchanted Forest accounting for time? People there seemed to know about years and such.
Also, I’m left wondering just how many Authors can exist at once? Jefferson said there are an infinite number of universes pressing up against one another. Is there just the one Author recording an infinite number of things about an infinite number of people from an infinite number of worlds? Or is there an Author for every different world? For example, Alice wrote her own story about her own adventures in Wonderland, which she then read to her daughter. Also, Glinda was the record keeper of Oz, making me think she is the Author of Oz, too.
Emma Swan: You’ve clearly glommed onto my kid Henry’s thing. They’re just stories! The Mad Hatter is in Alice in Wonderland, a book – a book I actually read.
Jefferson: Stories. Stories! What’s a story? When you were in high school, d’you learn about the Civil War?
Emma Swan: Yeah, of course.
Jefferson: How? D’you read about it, perchance, in a book? How’s that any less real than any other book?
Emma Swan: History books are based on history.
Jefferson: And storybooks are based on what? Imagination. Where does that come from? It has to come from somewhere.Is A Land Without Magic also a work of fiction come to life like the Enchanted Forest and its residents seem to be? Is there an Author for this world who records all of the mundane events of people from A Land Without Magic? Is that what historians are, storytellers and authors? Does everything that happen here come from someone else’s imagination? If so, is there just an infinite regress of Authors?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Okay, anyone remember the 90’s TV show, Sliders?
The concept of Sliders, is that there are different parallel universes and they all exist at the same time. Like there’s a world where San Francisco (because that’s where the lead character was from).
For example, on Sliders, there’s…
~ a world whose belief system consists of magic potions, dragons and illusions
~ a world consumed by mysterious fires
~ a world ruled by robots who’ve made humans obsolete
~ a world plagued by earthquakes and populated by primitive peopleI liken Cruella’s world and Alice’s London to parallel universes from Sliders. They don’t necessarily follow the same rules as the Enchanted Forest because they’re their own reality.
Like the parallel universes from Sliders.
I hope that helps.
The Enchanted Forest is probably medieval Europe land. Now that I’m thinking about it, it is weird that when Rumple was a child everything looks exactly the same as how it looks when Cora was young, and how it looks in Snow’s time. Or Killian’s uniform from his season 3 flashback that looked too modern to belong to at least 200 years before Snow&everyone else’s time. They don’t have time too.
Except that “The savior will return on her 28th birthday” and time started moving “a year ago” in the EF. They have a concept of time.
liken Cruella’s world and Alice’s London to parallel universes from Sliders. They don’t necessarily follow the same rules as the Enchanted Forest because they’re their own reality.
Yeah, I suppose. It’s just very..hand wavey
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I was really happy for this information, and it seems to explains a few things that have bothered me as far as timeline stuff goes.
Mainly, it explains how Jefferson helped Regina recover the poison apple in season 1. At the time, it seemed to be time travel, but knowing that these lands exist outside of time kind of help to support how that was possible.
Going back to the CHICKEN OR THE EGG debate.
What came first? Neverland the place or J.M. Barrie’s Peter Pan and Wendy? Timeline wise for the show, Neverland would’ve had to exist before Barrie wrote his play/novel.
However, if Neverland exists outside of time, then it’s possible that Barrie’s writing actually created the Neverland we know. Or just by getting people to believe in Neverland through his play, actually created the Neverland outside of time.
I hope that makes sense.
However, if Neverland exists outside of time, then it’s possible that Barrie’s writing actually created the Neverland we know. Or just by getting people to believe in Neverland through his play, actually created the Neverland outside of time.
I hope that makes sense.
Okay, I’ll buy that. Our imagination in the real world created Neverland, the Enchanted Forest. — But we didn’t know it happened. And then at some point, our creations took on a life of its own.
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