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June 10, 2012 at 5:47 pm #148573darcyfarrowParticipant
That’s been the big problem all along; it was the big problem in Lost too: lack of communication due to lack of trust. MM and Emma are going to break that mold, though: after MM’s jailbreak and Emma’s attempt to run away, they ‘re figuring out that they can solve problems if they stick together.
[adrotate group="5"]June 10, 2012 at 8:21 pm #148579elleParticipantGeppetto went about it the wrong way though. He should have talked to Snow and Charming about why he wanted to send Pinocchio through. He did the wrong thing. He needed to try and convince them. To trust them. I just don’t get his choice.
He did go about it the wrong way, and he should have probably talked first to someone. The problem for him is that he probably felt that Prince Charming and Snow White would have refused–they probably would’ve. They would’ve insisted that Emma and one of them go in the wardrobe, and who can blame them? But despite that, I can understand–he is a parent, and his first concern was saving his son from a horrible fate. He had no guarentee from the Blue Fairy, so he wanted to get his own. In the end, he was wrong–not only was Emma hurt by this decision, but he put a lot of responsibility on a seven year old, and I wasn’t surprised how Pinocchio handled it.
June 10, 2012 at 9:40 pm #148580hjbauParticipantIt was the wrong choice. We will never know what Snow and Charming would have done. We will never know, because he didn’t trust them. I don’t think it is quite that simple that Snow and Charming would have just said no. And now in the long wrong what has happened. Emma grew up alone, abandoned, with no knowledge of who she is. Pinocchio grew up on the run doing who knows what and with a very bad example from his father.
Both Emma and Pinocchio were damaged by Geppetto’s choice And in the end Pinocchio still turned back into wood which is what Geppetto feared to begin with. They lost all of the time together anyways and they can never get it back because Pinocchio is 28 years older, that time is lost between them, and Pinocchio is still wood which was the original fear. He should have told Snow and Charming. He should have trusted them. For me, i just don’t even get why Geppetto was in the war counsel room if there was no trust between him and Snow and Charming. How did they meet? What is he doing there? Why did he feel that they couldn’t talk it out? And if it came down to it he could have made the same deal with Snow and Charming. I won’t make the wardrobe unless you let me send Pinocchio through. Though we can never know what the choice would have been for Snow and Charming because Geppetto never gave them the chance.
June 10, 2012 at 10:24 pm #148581midnight drearyParticipant@darcyfarrow wrote:
I’ve been imagining Gold taking Rumple to task: “Yes, people feared you; yes, they admired your knowledge and abilities, but they didn’t respect you. You were a cartoon character to them.”
Rumple: “And you have all the animation of a cardboard box. You’re boring, old boy. People went to great lengths to seek me out, but they hide when they see you coming. You think that’s because they fear you but the fact is, you put them to sleep.”
Gold: “It was your emotionality that drove Belle away. If you had approached the situation reasonably, you could have kept her and your power.”
Rumple: “You’re not so wise as you think, old man, if you believe you can have her and magic too. You will have to choose.”
Gold: “After I find Bae.”
Rumple: “After we find Bae. It will take both of us.”
Gold: “Both of us.”
OMG!!! This is too hilarious! π π π π π
June 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm #148582elleParticipantTrue that we won’t know what Snow and Charming would’ve done, but I’m willing to be they would have insisted that they go–Pinocchio was only seven at the time, and not at all experienced to care for a newborn, and it is only natural that Snow and Charming would want one of them to care for Emma. And Emma did grow up alone and suffered, as Pinocchio lost his humanity. As for why Gepetto was trusted, that does make me wonder–if his demand was too much, why couldn’t the Blue Fairy find someone else to build the wardrobe? The only answer I could come up with is that he was the only one who knew how to handle the wood–Pinocchio is made from it. But from what it seems, Gepetto might not have been close to either Charming or Snow–there was never a true scene with them, and he barely ever talked to them. Perhaps he thought the Blue Fairy was more able to handle them.
I think Gepetto was hopeful that Pinocchio would be able to handle the task–lead Emma to saftey, care for her, and prepare her for her duties. The problem was that (other than being too young) he did not know what he was to prepare her for specifically–no one told him what he was supposed to tell her or teach her. And he was in a strange world, alone, frightened, and miserable. And it was in vain, seeing as how Pinocchio turned back to wood, but (again) Gepetto hoped that his son would be able to do what he had been tasked.
Overall, what he did was unfair–he could have given Snow and Charming a chance, or thought of Pinocchio, and how he would be in a new world. I just don’t hate him as much as others do–it is shown how both Regina/Evil Queen and Rumpelstiltskin/Mr. Gold did wrong, and yet they are both pitied and favored by the majority of fans. Granted, I don’t hate either of them (both are some of my favorite characters) but Gepetto was a desperate parent.
June 21, 2012 at 2:30 am #148960GaultheriaParticipant@hjbau wrote:
Geppetto went about it the wrong way though. He should have talked to Snow and Charming about why he wanted to send Pinocchio through. He did the wrong thing. He needed to try and convince them. To trust them. I just don’t get his choice.
Geppetto can’t be objective where family is concerned. The situation with his parents is bad enough, but after holding Pinocchio’s corpse in his arms and then getting a second chance, he will protect Pinocchio at all costs.
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June 21, 2012 at 2:36 pm #148972darcyfarrowParticipant“True love must be protected at all costs.”
I think we will eventually learn that things turned out the way they were supposed to. I’m trying to imagine what would have happened if Snow or Charming had come into SB with Emma, and I keep thinking of Jefferson’s situation: to be living the curse and to have your memories intact (inΓ§luding those of the spouse left behind) would’ve been awful. And I don’t think Emma would’ve been the tough person SB needs her to be if she hadn’t had the life she had.
June 24, 2012 at 10:18 pm #149048hjbauParticipantI just disagree with the premise that this was the best way to protect Pinocchio. It clearly didn’t turn out very well for him. And it may be that this mistake that Geppetto made turned out alright in the end, but that doesn’t mean that what he did wasn’t a mistake. He still didn’t do the right thing. He could have protected Pinocchio another way and it isn’t that a person can just do anything to protect their child. That just isn’t true. Maybe he wants to, but that doesn’t make it right.
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