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ABC Accidentally Leaks A Plot Point?

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Four › 4×18 “Sympathy for the De Vil” › 4×18 “Sympathy for the De Vil” spoilers › ABC Accidentally Leaks A Plot Point?

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  • April 14, 2015 at 10:44 pm #301654
    Phee
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    If Belle takes out her heart, and say she actually prefers the feeling of not being able to feel her hurt over the heartbreak Rump caused her to feel,she may not want it to be put back in. Sound familiar? (for those who didn’t watch WL, that is basically very similar to what Will did and seeing how he and Belle are a thing now, this may be a bonding thing for them)

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    That would at least give some purpose to Will and Belle being so close, if it was so he could pass on some “been there, done that” advice. He’d probably also tell her not to give up on her seemingly evil lover, which I’d be conflicted about because on the one hand I don’t want Will and Belle together, but on the other hand I don’t really want her going back to Rumple.

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    April 15, 2015 at 8:19 am #301668
    RumplesGirl
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    TheWatcher wrote:

    If Belle takes out her heart, and say she actually prefers the feeling of not being able to feel her hurt over the heartbreak Rump caused her to feel,she may not want it to be put back in. Sound familiar? (for those who didn’t watch WL, that is basically very similar to what Will did and seeing how he and Belle are a thing now, this may be a bonding thing for them)

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    That would at least give some purpose to Will and Belle being so close, if it was so he could pass on some “been there, done that” advice. He’d probably also tell her not to give up on her seemingly evil lover, which I’d be conflicted about because on the one hand I don’t want Will and Belle together, but on the other hand I don’t really want her going back to Rumple.

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    If it played out like that, it would also be a nice way to tell us what happened to Ana.

    #TellUsAlready

    #SomeOfUsActuallyCare

    "He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
    April 15, 2015 at 10:18 am #301680
    Slurpeez
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    If Belle takes out her heart, and say she actually prefers the feeling of not being able to feel her hurt over the heartbreak Rump caused her to feel,she may not want it to be put back in.

    How exactly would Belle remove her own heart in this scenario, since she lacks magic? Regina would still have to enchant Belle’s hand to be able to remove her heart, the way Regina enchanted Hook’s hook to remove Cora’s heart (which he instead used to remove Aurora’s heart). However, I doubt Belle removes her own heart or gives it willingly. Look at the way the spoiler is worded:

    As for Regina, she steals Belle’s heart. She believes the Evil Queen needs to do what she does best in order to save the people she loves.

    Regina stealing Belle’s heart implies (1) Regina takes Belle’s heart by force and (2) Belle is powerless to stop it since she lacks magic. I think Belle is just being used as a pawn against Rumple in a power struggle, as a way of protecting Robin. In S1, Regina frequently used Belle as a pawn to try and break Rumple’s curse with TLK, Regina kidnapped and imprisoned Belle in the EF, and Regina held Belle prisoner for 28 years in the hospital basement. Regina has never respected Belle’s agency or her personhood, let alone her freedom. Regina is resorting to her own Evil Queen tactics.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    April 16, 2015 at 6:19 pm #301790
    obisgirl
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    I think we all know who crosses the line.

    @motormouthcrazy Here's a sneak peek: "[Spoiler] crosses a line."

    — Matt Mitovich (@MattMitovich) April 16, 2015

    April 16, 2015 at 6:27 pm #301792
    PriceofMagic
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    However, I doubt Belle removes her own heart or gives it willingly. Look at the way the spoiler is worded:

    As for Regina, she steals Belle’s heart. She believes the Evil Queen needs to do what she does best in order to save the people she loves.

    Regina stealing Belle’s heart implies (1) Regina takes Belle’s heart by force and (2) Belle is powerless to stop it since she lacks magic. I think Belle is just being used as a pawn against Rumple in a power struggle, as a way of protecting Robin. In S1, Regina frequently used Belle as a pawn to try and break Rumple’s curse with TLK, Regina kidnapped and imprisoned Belle in the EF, and Regina held Belle prisoner for 28 years in the hospital basement. Regina has never respected Belle’s agency or her personhood, let alone her freedom. Regina is resorting to her own Evil Queen tactics.

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    Dammit you’re right. So the question becomes is Belle aware that Regina took her heart or was she unconscious when Regina took it? Just thought, what if the RumBelle script tease is AFTER Regina took Belle’s heart. Rumple is checking if it’s true and Belle being all unemotional when she sees him would be all the evidence he needs.

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    April 17, 2015 at 8:54 am #301841
    Slurpeez
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    I think we all know who crosses the line.

    I have a feeling that spoiler could be about something else other than a moral issue. It could be about Regina and/or Emma literally crossing the town line to find Robin Hood in NYC, and along the way, they find Lily.

    So the question becomes is Belle aware that Regina took her heart or was she unconscious when Regina took it? Just

    Either way, Regina is stealing Belle’s heart, against her will, so it’s still a morally dubious thing Regina does. Even if it’s done for the sake of saving Robin, Regina taking Belle’s heart by force just doesn’t sit well with me. If Belle never learns of Regina’s stealing of her heart, and therefore Regina never gets caught and/or never apologizes, then it becomes an even bigger moral issue.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    April 17, 2015 at 2:24 pm #301868
    PriceofMagic
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    Either way, Regina is stealing Belle’s heart, against her will, so it’s still a morally dubious thing Regina does. Even if it’s done for the sake of saving Robin, Regina taking Belle’s heart by force just doesn’t sit well with me. If Belle never learns of Regina’s stealing of her heart, and therefore Regina never gets caught and/or never apologizes, then it becomes an even bigger moral issue.

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    I agree. Regina’s treatment of Belle is terrible. I never bought Regina’s apology to Belle in 3B, and her stealing Belle’s heart only proves that she doesn’t give a damn about Belle.

    Regina’s been alright in 4B with Robin out of the picture. Why is it the moment he’s reintroduced into the story, Regina’s character development starts going down the drain?

    All magic comes with a price!

    Keeper of Felix
    April 17, 2015 at 8:21 pm #301910
    WickedRegal
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    Slurpeez wrote:

    Either way, Regina is stealing Belle’s heart, against her will, so it’s still a morally dubious thing Regina does. Even if it’s done for the sake of saving Robin, Regina taking Belle’s heart by force just doesn’t sit well with me. If Belle never learns of Regina’s stealing of her heart, and therefore Regina never gets caught and/or never apologizes, then it becomes an even bigger moral issue.

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    I agree. Regina’s treatment of Belle is terrible. I never bought Regina’s apology to Belle in 3B, and her stealing Belle’s heart only proves that she doesn’t give a damn about Belle. Regina’s been alright in 4B with Robin out of the picture. Why is it the moment he’s reintroduced into the story, Regina’s character development starts going down the drain?

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    I’m quite sure Regina does give a damn about Belle because that is her son’s step-grandmother, and quite frankly…didn’t Rumple threaten to kill ALL the Charmings if anything happened to Belle back in S2 when he was leaving town to find Neal?

    That threat was sort of an insurance policy to ensure her safety, which is the exact same thing Regina is going to do Belle in order to make sure that Rumple doesn’t touch The Charmings, Emma, and most importantly Henry while she travels off to save Robin Hood and Roland from Zelena because Rumple was quite serious in the fact that he’d turn Emma dark and probably kill anyone that stands in his way, and to ensure that doesn’t happen while she’s away…Regina needs the one thing Rumple loves most since Neal died, his wife.

    And if holding Belle’s heart captive is what ensures Rumple doesn’t go on a killing spree in Storybrooke, and turn the Savior dark…then so be it.

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

    April 17, 2015 at 8:37 pm #301911
    Slurpeez
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    And if holding Belle’s heart captive is what ensures Rumple doesn’t go on a killing spree in Storybrooke, and turn the Savior dark…then so be it.

    Belle is a person (granted a fictional one), not a pawn. In the story, she has feelings, hopes and dreams; she has free will, a spirit, and is important just by virtue of being human. Regina has harmed Belle enough times to last 100 lifetimes. Regina had best not go after Belle; instead, she should go after Rumple’s dagger if she wants to control the dark one.

    "That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

    April 17, 2015 at 8:46 pm #301914
    WickedRegal
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    WickedRegal wrote:

    And if holding Belle’s heart captive is what ensures Rumple doesn’t go on a killing spree in Storybrooke, and turn the Savior dark…then so be it.

    Belle is a person (granted a fictional one), not a pawn. In the story, she has feelings, hopes and dreams; she has free will, a spirit, and is important just by virtue of being human. Regina has harmed Belle enough times to last 100 lifetimes. Regina had best not go after Belle; instead, she should go after Rumple’s dagger if she wants to control the dark one.

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    I understand all of that…but Rumple is a loose canon right now. And the only thing that can stop him is Belle, and I’m sure he won’t even listen to her! So Belle’s Heart is collateral in this situation because it ensures the wellbeing of everyone in Storybrooke against Rumple’s wrath, while Regina and Emma are away.

    "If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

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