Adam and Eddy Tease Upcoming Episode

[an empty heart]

We can argue all day about what constitutes true love, but all we can go on is what the writers have given us, and so far, Bell is Rumpel’s true love. He even admitted that she makes him want to become a better person. Cora will never be able to inspire that in him becaue she’s just like him. They’d end up destroying each other (which, oddly enough, is exactly what’s happening).

But it won’t matter in the end anyway because she’ll probably be killed off in this Sunday’s episode.

[midnight dreary]

@An Empty Heart wrote:

But it won’t matter in the end anyway because she’ll probably be killed off in this Sunday’s episode.

Good point. No use in debating whether or not Rumpel and Cora would have made a good couple. It’s in the past and they’re currently trying to destroy each other, so the obvious answer is no. I remember Rumbelle fans getting all riled up when they found out about Rumpel’s first wife Milha, but we all saw how that ended. 😆

[RumplesGirl]

Myril: well, there is no doubt that there is an attraction between Cora and Rumple and they do understand each other in ways Belle may never understand given her inherent goodness. Cora and Rumple are drawn to each other because they want the same things: power. And in that regard their souls are very much alike, but I think the term soul mate is, first and foremost, incredibly subjective. In my opinion a soul mate or true love (and I’m not saying that those two things are the same, though I might argue that OUaT has set it up that way) makes you want to be a better person. It doesn’t automatically make you the better, but it gives you something to strive for. So, I go back to the Rumbelle sneak peak where a dying Rumple tells Belle “you made me want to go back, back to best version of myself.” For the first time in probably his entire life, Rumple’s first thoughts aren’t of himself, they are of other people. You said they don’t bring out the best in him. Well, first, I don’t think they’ve had the chance, at least not fully. But think about the scene on Hook’s ship in “The Outsider.” Belle got Rumple to walk away from killing Hook. If Belle really had died, or hadn’t reminded him that she sees good in him, even when he never sees it himself, no question: Hook would have died. It’s a struggle with him, no doubt, but she does it. She brings out the good in people and like Rumple said in the sneak peak (paraphrasing): “when there is no good, you make it.” Going back to Cora and Rumple:it appears that it’s “what can you do for me?” Cora can give him Regina who will eventually cast the curse. He sees people only in relation to himself. Even with Bae, in “A Desperate Soul” he says if they take his son away he will truly turn to dust. it’s not about Bae, it’s about Rumple. Now obviously we haven’t seen the Miller’s Daughter episode yet but I’m going to go out on a limb and say it’s along the same lines. If he asks Cora to come away with him, because he’s in love with her, the lines will probably be something like “come away with me and your power with mine will make me unstoppable.” But with Belle, starting with the episode “The Crocodile” and that unforgettable library scene, it becomes about someone else.
I could keep going but eventually it would turn into a Rumbelle love fest. 😉
So I do understand what you’re saying about our sort of romanticized view of the term soul mate and how in reality sometimes your love actually turns you into a terrible person and it’s really not all sunshine and daises. BUT…in this conceptual world the writers of OUaT have built, it does make you a better person because this is, and always has been, a world about magic, fairy tales, and everything that is not “real world.” There is a reason why TLK is the cure to all curses, why they harp on one true love’s (which again I think the writers are saying you do only have one, but you can love multiple people–but only have one true love). It goes back to genre: that’s how fairy tales work.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[RumplesGirl]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@An Empty Heart wrote:

But it won’t matter in the end anyway because she’ll probably be killed off in this Sunday’s episode.

Good point. No use in debating whether or not Rumpel and Cora would have made a good couple. It’s in the past and they’re currently trying to destroy each other, so the obvious answer is no. I remember Rumbelle fans getting all riled up when they found out about Rumpel’s first wife Milha, but we all saw how that ended. 😆

lol. I just wrote this super long essay on true love and really An Empty Heart and Midnight Dreary have it spot on: it doesn’t matter. I think we all know who’s dying on Sunday and that Rumbelle is safe and secure (once we get past this whole memory road block) and that they are true love and soul mates and gosh darn it: will live happily ever after!!

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[midnight dreary]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@An Empty Heart wrote:

But it won’t matter in the end anyway because she’ll probably be killed off in this Sunday’s episode.

Good point. No use in debating whether or not Rumpel and Cora would have made a good couple. It’s in the past and they’re currently trying to destroy each other, so the obvious answer is no. I remember Rumbelle fans getting all riled up when they found out about Rumpel’s first wife Milha, but we all saw how that ended. 😆

lol. I just wrote this super long essay on true love and really An Empty Heart and Midnight Dreary have it spot on: it doesn’t matter.

Ooops, sorry. 😆 But I agree wholeheartedly with your post. I would have written the same thing if I weren’t so darn lazy. 😆

[Myril]

For cryin out loud … I don’t question that Belle is Rumple’s true love. I question the concept of just ONE true love ever possible in someone’s life, and thus what the nature of the relationship between Rumple and Cora might have been at some point in their shared history. And even if they might kill Cora this Sunday, I highly doubt that we will have heard and seen the last of their story . In my opinion Rumple and Cora being soul mates doesn’t stand against Rumple and Belle having true love for each other. It makes Rumbelle even more interesting, having more impact. If Rumple had other relationships (besides Milah), and even more with someone who seems so unlikely to many as Cora, then Rumbelle doesn’t stand out because it the one other love besides Milah Rumple felt, but Rumbelle stands out because of its nature, of what it might be able to do to Rumple now in present time. It might be his second chance.

And before anyone brings up the kiss again: Rumple was surprised not about true loves kiss breaking the curse of the Dark One but about that it was obviously true love what they felt, Belle and Rumple. It’s the way I have seen that moment. Rumple knew of the power of true loves kiss at that point. He might have even known what it might do to him, and that is why he reacted so angry to Belle – ever thought of that? The moment Rumple realized he was losing his power he lashes out against Belle, yells at her, asks her who told her true love’s kiss can break any curse – sounded to me a lot like he not just suspected but knew it could work on his curse as well. At least I had the thought back then when watching the episode. We don’t know if anything alike happened even between Rumple and Cora.

And Fairy tales don’t just work with the concept of one true love. The world of fairy tales is lot more colorful and complex than Disney’s fluffy princess tale versions and some tuned down children books want to make us believe in. As I see it, Once Upon a Time tells the story of what happens when Fairy Tales have to face a world without all magic, without all the wondrous ways to guarantee happy endings, when they have to live in our world, where one has to work hard without magic to find happiness. It tells us the stories what happened before the fairy tale began and what after the happy endings, And the writers work with different sides of love, show us different sides of it – and I think the destructive side of obsessive love, the pain of failed love, the challenge of keeping love alive and thriving is as much in it as the idealist, romantic version of love as a mean to better oneself.

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[Phee]

@A Chipped Cup wrote:

I’m sorry, but Adam and Eddie, you’re trolling. You are straight up trolling. 😆

Totally! Those evil buggers, throwing the word “soulmates” in there to make folks hysterical. That wasn’t a poor word choice, it was totally deliberate, because they’re meeeeaaaannnn! 😈

[midnight dreary]

@myril wrote:

For cryin out loud … I don’t question that Belle is Rumple’s true love. I question the concept of just ONE true love ever possible in someone’s life, and thus what the nature of the relationship between Rumple and Cora might have been at some point in their shared history.

I think Adam and Eddie have confirmed that each character can only have one true love. But I’m not entirely sure.

[Myril]

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

@myril wrote:

For cryin out loud … I don’t question that Belle is Rumple’s true love. I question the concept of just ONE true love ever possible in someone’s life, and thus what the nature of the relationship between Rumple and Cora might have been at some point in their shared history.

Adam and Eddie have already confirmed that each character can only have one true love. Only one.

Where, when did they state that? Source please. I really would like to know.

If so: Then they better kill Ruby this Sunday, because things look really grim for her then. And no hope there for Regina ever, poor Evil Queen, but she can still try to find true love to her adopted son. Oh, right, Peter was maybe not Red’s true love just her first love, big difference. And same for Regina. Whatever each prefers to believe in.

Sorry when I am getting cynic here, but I honestly believe that the concept of only one true love in life is creating more problems than doing any good. And for story telling it creates plenty of plot holes, one later has desperately to fanwank away. (And I have over 20 years of experience of explaining the unexplainable to make stories in my fav shows work against all reason and within their own logic. so try me) 😈

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[midnight dreary]

Here you go. It wasn’t Adam who said it, it was Lana.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2012/06/once-upon-time-2012-bell-media-upfronts.html

And yes, the idea of one true love does make sense for the show. It’s a show about fairies and magic. It’s a show where true love’s kiss can break any curse. This isn’t the real world. Yes, there are real world elements to it, but when you’re watching a show that features dragons, magic and fairies, then you can throw the rule book out the window. It’s called fantasy.

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