Adam and Eddy Tease Upcoming Episode

[Slurpeez]

I’m not at all worried about Cora and Rumple’s relationship; it is obviously meant to contrast with Belle and Rumple’s loving relationship. I think we’re in safe hands with Jane Espensen, since there is no bigger fan of Rumple and Belle than she is. She wrote their love into existence. As for Rumple and Cora, they may have felt a close affinity for one another, but it can’t be true love, because that kiss between them had no effect of Rumple’s curse. They had a love affair, but they were selfishly using each other to get what they wanted: Cora wanted power and Rumple wanted an apprentice to cast the dark curse for him.

[Myril]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Also, Myril: I’m sorry if you felt like we (or I) jumped on you for questioning Rumbelle. This is the sad reality of shows like this, when you ship, you ship hard and if it happens to be your OTP (as Rumbelle is for me) you tend to come down hard. Sorry for that. These boards are supposed to be fun places for open and honest discussion and sometimes things get heated.

If anything I felt somewhat misunderstood. Never felt like anyone was coming down hard on me here. I like a good argument, and in a good argument it can get tough at times. As long as it isn’t going personally and offensive I am fine with it.

When you say, people can have only one true love, but when you lose that person, then you are capable of falling in love again, then I do wonder though, if that love then is a kind of slightly minor, second love. The one true love chance is gone, isn’t it? So there is only one person in my life I can ever truly love, everybody else unfortunately has to be satisfied with just been loved even if they would deserve my true love as well? Keeping focus here on romantic relationships. The love between child and parent for example can be true love, would be the last to argue against that, but it is a different kind of love then what is talked about when terms like soul mate and one true love are used. I am having a hard time to wrap my mind around that logic, only one true love in life but if lost can love someone else, I find it contradictory.

There is this tale sometimes referred to, a tale that Plato let Aristophanes tell in The Symposium, that humans originally had four arms, four legs and a single head made of two faces. When the gods of the Olympus felt threaten by the humans, because these humans were strong, Zeus came up with the idea to split them in half. From then on humans had only 2 arms, 2 legs, one face, but they were forever longing for their other half, their soul mate. Have the impression that is very much how many see what a soul mate it, it is our other half, the only person we feel whole again with, the one person we’re meant to be with. I have a different view.

I know, Snow and Charming look like the perfect example for this idea of one true love, they had to meet, they were meant for each other, that is what makes the relationship so great and special. You can see it that way. But I think their relationship is not so great and special because of destiny, because of that they were so lucky to find the one person meant for them. To me their love is special because they work for it, the fight for it, because they believe in the power of their love, they believe in each other. That is what makes their love so strong, the way how they live it.

I don’t think that it would take anything away if there would be the possibility of another true love out there, even when you haven’t lost the person you experience it with right now. As I see it we grow with every love we give, it’s nothing we have to worry about to be running out of when we share it with more than one person, the opposite. True love doesn’t come easy, it’s nothing you can find around any corner, it’s something you have to work on and build, it takes effort, that is why for so many it seems impossible to have more than one true love, but it is not impossible.

I’m not saying there was true love between Rumple and Cora. I started thinking more along the lines what SpinningGold wrote, soul mate and true love are not the same, there are different kind of soul mates. But then I was beginning to wonder and ponder other possibilities. What if there was something that could have become true love under different circumstances. That questions if there is just one true love. That questions if truly loving someone always means turning into a good person (depending on what defines good). It questions if true love is something that simply is or something that develops, has to be build and nurtured. And exactly because true love is such a major motif in the show found it worth to explore the thought.

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[laurieanne]

What Myril said…

I remember an interview with Eddy and Adam where they said something like “Wouldn’t it be sad to think that if your true love dies, you would never find love again?’ (Talking about Regina) Since the show is all about hope, it seems that one theme might be the possibility of true love again. Does it matter if the person dies or if they just walk away from you? I think yes but that’s just me.

[kfchimera]

@myril wrote:

I like a good argument, and in a good argument it can get tough at times. As long as it isn’t going personally and offensive I am fine with it.

You have so many interesting things to say that I’m glad you feel that way. The boards get a little less richer when we all just sit around agreeing with each other.

That said, I do agree with a lot of what you’re saying! I feel (and think it is a common perception) that romantic love gets diluted rather than increased if you spread it across more people. If the first person is dead though, then there’s no sense of that competition.

Yet it’s a funny contrast to how we feel about parental love (which in this show, apparently can also have the magic of “true” love)* As a parent, I know that my love for my first child was not lessened even as my love for my second child began. Or in the reverse–Henry in this show has now a lot of family to love, can he love them all as truly as each other? Or does he only have a special bond with one?

I’m not sure where the show runners will go, but it is interesting to see them play a little with our notions of what love is, magically true or not, just as much as what is bad or good. I’m sure this episode is going to be packed with many interesting moments to discuss.

(Edit–* In traditional fairy tales, I don’t think its the convention that parental love can be “magically true” in that way, it’s usually romantic love….certainly for Disney’s versions of these things, unless you count “Brave”. And that is Pixar-fied Disney…..)

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Keb]

The very fact that Daniel suggested to Regina that she “love again” makes me believe that ultimately it IS possible, even in this universe, for someone to have more than one true love. And it’s clearly possible for love to go one way (I think it was that way for Rumple with Milah, definitely for Sidney with Regina). Then there’s the question of whether Graham + Emma was true love or not–kissing her brought his memories back, but was that because she was the savior or because they were falling in love, or both?

Also, TLK seems to have quite a few caveats–both hearts seem to need to be entirely open to one another for it to work, and it can’t cure death/deadly wounds/poison the way it does curses.

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[an empty heart]

I wouldn’t worry about Adam’s quote. Rumpel was also in love with Milha, and we all know how that ended. The past is the past. 😉

[the fairest]

@An Empty Heart wrote:

I wouldn’t worry about Adam’s quote. Rumpel was also in love with Milha, and we all know how that ended. The past is the past. 😉

Exactly.

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