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I think it is supposed to be left up in the air in case the want to go back and revisit that story, but for the most part until we see otherwise both A and E have said that they consider him dead.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah, I think he’s dead unless they have some great idea for a story later. It’s possible we might still see him die.
Good point Phee, that Regina is emotional and Greg did literally burn any bridge there (with electricity!). I could see her wanting to kill him.
You know, it would be kind of funny if Hook ran over Greg with the JR (by accident upon entering NL), seeing as how Greg ran over Hook with his car. Then maybe Regina refuses to use her magic to save him, unless Tamara tells them where Henry is. She doesn’t budge, because she wants no part of magic even to save Greg and then he dies. Then Regina kills Tamara because she’s useless, and the others get upset with her, because they wanted information.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Good point Phee, that Regina is emotional and Greg did literally burn any bridge there (with electricity!). I could see her wanting to kill him.
She completely relished telling Greg that she’d killed his dad, even gave him a little smirk right before she said he was dead. So yep, I’m pretty sure Regina is done with having any sort of sympathetic emotion towards Greg.
You know, it would be kind of funny if Hook ran over Greg with the JR (by accident upon entering NL), seeing as how Greg ran over Hook with his car.
Sometimes revenge is a piece of cake! 😛
Good point Phee, that Regina is emotional and Greg did literally burn any bridge there (with electricity!)
In all fairness, it was the other way around – Regina was the one to burn any bridge there by kidnapping Kurt, killing him and not be remotely honest or remorseful to Greg/Owen about that.
Regina’s whole attitude towards Greg Mendell the moment she realizes he’s adult Owen Flynn is so disturbingly cold for someone who once connected to him as a young boy and considered being his stepmother that it made me really wonder is that’s how she’d be treating Henry as a grown up if he kept his stance against Regina’s wrongdoings. That’d totally be character assassination for Regina, so I was very pleased to see the finale relieving me of this fear.
However, that doesn’t change the fact that, for all the greatness that was seeing Regina’s relationship to young Owen, the follow up with Greg Mendell has been a big letdown. Nothing that made Regina/Owen special carried over to Regina/Greg, not even Regina’s soft spot for him, so what was the point in spending a whole episode developing that? I feel this damaged any potential the character might’ve had, and it’s telling that the only thing I still expect to see from Regina/Greg is for her to throw in his face how big a hypocrite he’s been being pissy about her killing his father when his girlfriend essentially did the same to Henry’s (that they know of) and not only he’s not taking a stance against it but was also helping her to complet the job, killing his mothers and grandparents through the destruction of Storybrooke. After that he’s useless, and he could get a comical, black humor-like death for all I care.
Demileto, I don’t think you saw the whole context. I started by saying I don’t think Regina should kill Greg as she killed his father and at a time when he was already disturbed by the loss of his mother. My original hope was that Regina would not consider Greg a satisfying favorite kill, that she might hesitate.
Phee then pointed out that Regina likely does not see it that way. Her warning Greg to leave in Granny’s was as close to warm and Fuzzy Regina as she is capable of being with someone who (in her messed up mind) rejected her. I do not apologize or excuse the wrongness of her, or him in their actions towards each other. Yes, Greg indirectly led to Regina’s son losing his father (and he directly set up a situation that would have killed her son’s entire family, including her) but I doubt Regina feels outrage about the rest of Henry’s family. She was going to kill them too, remember. Regina’s level of empathy is still vastly underdeveloped compared to her own ego and issues. She couldn’t point out his hypocrisy without revealing her own.
I don’t think either one has any love lost, but what I feel as an audience member is that Regina should not “win” even though his retaliation took on a larger scale to what she did to him personally. Someone else could kill him. He could die tragically, he could get shot by Tamara, these are things I have suggested. Even being killed by PP offhand when they show up to illustrate how cruel and boss PP is. The one way I don’t think Greg should be killed is as if Regina is the hero finally smacking down the villain. She is not the hero in this situation. Neither is he.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Demileto, I don’t think you saw the whole context. I started by saying I don’t think Regina should kill Greg as she killed his father and at a time when he was already disturbed by the loss of his mother. My original hope was that Regina would not consider Greg a satisfying favorite kill, that she might hesitate.
Yes, admittedly I skimmed through the discussion and missed a bunch of context. I think you can see through my answer that the way Regina/Greg was handled is, to me, one of those subjects one takes any hook, however flimsy, to vent his/her frustation. I detested it that much, and your post ended up being the scapegoat for that. Sorry. 🙂
Phee then pointed out that Regina likely does not see it that way. Her warning Greg to leave in Granny’s was as close to warm and Fuzzy Regina as she is capable of being with someone who (in her messed up mind) rejected her. I do not apologize or excuse the wrongness of her, or him in their actions towards each other. Yes, Greg indirectly led to Regina’s son losing his father (and he directly set up a situation that would have killed her son’s entire family, including her) but I doubt Regina feels outrage about the rest of Henry’s family. She was going to kill them too, remember. Regina’s level of empathy is still vastly underdeveloped compared to her own ego and issues. She couldn’t point out his hypocrisy without revealing her own.
I would never envison that scenarion as Regina showing empathy for Greg or Henry’s biological family, but her mocking his self righteousness and presumption that he’s better than her when he’s not.
I don’t think either one has any love lost, but what I feel as an audience member is that Regina should not “win” even though his retaliation took on a larger scale to what she did to him personally. Someone else could kill him. He could die tragically, he could get shot by Tamara, these are things I have suggested. Even being killed by PP offhand when they show up to illustrate how cruel and boss PP is. The one way I don’t think Greg should be killed is as if Regina is the hero finally smacking down the villain. She is not the hero in this situation. Neither is he.
Agreed.
These threads do get long! I just didn’t want to be misunderstood as excusing either of them, though I do think their wrongs are not the same.
At the time Greg said things to Regina, it was not his plan to kill her family–nor is he doing all of it out of revenge/retaliation, just the torture was about that. He has delusions about his mission to save the “real world” from evil magic creatures. I see it as evil to act on orders to kill an entire town and kidnap a boy without questioning the goals of bosses who would order such methods. Perhaps he might have questioned his orders if he had less grief and rage, and perhaps he still will. Perhaps Tamara will as well, but the audience kind of has an angry mob demanding justice with a pitchfork feel about her, and do not want to see her reform or anything like that. Since Regina, Hook and Rumpel are too core to be killed off, we are hungry as an audience to see other villains/baddies get what is coming to them. (They really dropped the ball on George too).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
okay, now this is confusing.
https://twitter.com/joshdallas/status/365201197470203905
yup, Josh mixed up the episodes because those aren’t the same writers for 3×02.
and Adam corrects him.
“@joshdallas: EP #303 "Lost Girl" #OnceUponATime http://t.co/mBejjPIOXw” actually lost girl is 302 title. Stand by for 303 title…
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) August 7, 2013
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