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I find it really interesting that the White Queen has a daughter. I really need to go re-read this book! If we’re right that the end game for Alice is to go from Pawn to Queen, like a chess piece, then would she also be fighting for some sort of daughter figure? A lot of us are on the train that has the RQ, Alice, and Grace as related…
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay, thought I’d add this graphic. It’s the chess match in the original book of Alice’s journey.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
We’ll have to keep this image in mind to see if it parallels to the present day events of the show!
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"So neat.
I was thinking though that the Knave has to be the castle not the bishop–seems like a guy named Knave does something that tricks someone at some point. Castling is a move where you swap the positions of the castle (rook) and the King.
Ok way overthinking this…unlike how I (badly) play Chess.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Oh he could totally be the Rook.
Does that mean we have yet to met a Bishop? Is there anyone in WL or Agrabah who would qualify? Someone either pious or very moral, I would think.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Have been attempting to brush up on the basics of chess so I can think this theory out properly.
Each side has: 1 Queen, 1 King, 2 Rooks, 2 Knights, 2 Bishops, 8 Pawns. We won’t necessarily get a character to fill each and every piece, but those are the positions that do exist.
Aim of the game is checkmate so the opposing side’s King can’t move away because you’re right in front of him.
If the aim of Alice’s game in present day is to get to Cyrus, could that mean that he’s currently the Red King? RQ wanted him, but he wanted to be with Alice, so RQ arranged for him to fall off the cliff so Alice thought he was dead, but he really wasn’t, and instead she’s been holding him prisoner as her King. So the objective of Alice’s game is to get to the checkmate position in front of the Red King, which means she’s found Cyrus?
As far as Bishops go, they’ve implied that QoH taught RQ some stuff, so I could see QoH filling one Bishop role for TeamRed, and Jafar filling the other.
So because we’ve got Jafar on TeamRed, we’re saying TeamWhite is Jasmine’s family. The Sultan is the White King. Maybe we have a Princess for that side, instead of a Queen? Aladdin could be one Knight, Rabbit could be the other? Or could Rabbit be a Bishop? I’m guessing he’s probably pretty wise, plus he guides people. I could see Knave as a Knight beside Aladdin, if Rabbit is a Bishop.
Given that this is Alice’s story though, I think it’s far more likely that she becomes the White Queen by the rules of chess: she starts off as a pawn and when she reaches the other side, she is crowned. It opens up the door to more seasons of conflict and drama. I’m wondering if Aladdin and Jasmine are just flashback characters or maybe they are Alice’s pawns because a chess board has a great many pawns who’s job it is to protect all the others.
Also I don’t think Cyrus is the Red King. I think he’s the White King who has been “checked” by the Red Team and now it becomes a game of strategy to get the King unchecked and check REdKing who is Jafar (Jafar wears a ton of red in the Aladdin movie if I remember correctly, and he turns into a red genie so there is that).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"The way I was looking at it, if the situation on the White side is that there’s a King (Sultan) and a Princess, but no actual Queen, then Pawn Alice could get promoted to the position of White Queen temporarily, purely as a means to get into position to free Cyrus from the RQ. I dunno that Alice would want to be tied down permanently, having the position of Queen. Once she’s saved Cyrus, she’d just wanna run off with him exploring and adventuring.
If Cyrus is already the White King who’s been checked, can Alice start out as a Pawn, considering they’re already a couple? There’d have to be a counterpart for the White King, and Alice should be it.
Hmmm. Good point.
I suppose it’s also possible that he is a pawn being held by the red side. Sometimes pawns can be incredibly valuable when used right. And then, even those this isn’t in the rules of chess, they could be elevated together. But then how does the red side win if there is no King to checkmate.
So I think what you’re saying is that there is already a war going on between TeamRed (led by the RQ and Jafar as King and Queen) against the TeamWhite (led by Sultan but no Queen). Alice and Cyrus simply get caught up in it? But Jafar seems so dead set against Alice as if she has personally wronged him. though to be fair, in the promo with Jafar he just says “she” which could mean Alice or possibly Jasmine.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"In the ending of Through the Looking Glass the Red King is sleeping under a tree and Alice is told that maybe she’s just a figment of his imagination and a product of his dreams and that when he wakes up then the game will be over and she will disappear. So something happens, I forget and haven’t gotten that far yet, but she shakes the queen thereby “taking her” and putting the red king into checkmate. He wakes up and she’s back home in her house. The game is over.
I do wonder in Once if we’re going to have a White Queen. She was shown briefly in the beginning but so far hasn’t had too much of a role so far.
We should just have a OncePodcast read along 🙂 The book is here for free: Through the Looking Glass . I downloaded to my e-reader, but you can read it on your computer and it’s quite short at only 73 pages long.
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