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And the problem for me this episode was that if we were to put Robin and Hook on a scale next to each other, Robin would win – never really the villain, always putting others first, the father of two young children one of whom is now an orphan.
This is it right here. I said it a either here or another thread, but they are saying that Hook’s life is worth more than Robin’s (even if it’s not their intention). People might believe Hook is redeemed and that’s fine, he’s still someone who committed murder many times over, lied, cheated, stole, shot innocent women, threatened innocents, and other nasty things. Robin’s crime is that he’s boring. That’s it. If Zeus has the power to bring people back from the dead (and even non existence because this show can handwave anythig in and out of existence)….then it should be the boring father of two who never did anything really horrible outside of a wonky code of honor and some indecisiveness.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Let’s all be civil about this but….did Hook deserve to come back to life (by way of a god-blessing from Zeus)?
Nope. For the reason that was given.
He does however deserve another chance at life for dying and attempting to take all the dark ones with him.
Actually, Zeus needs to rescue Aunt Em and Milah and all the others that were nice or were trying to improve from the horrible places they went to. Only then do I think that Hook deserves to live again.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
And the problem for me this episode was that if we were to put Robin and Hook on a scale next to each other, Robin would win – never really the villain, always putting others first, the father of two young children one of whom is now an orphan.
This is it right here. I said it a either here or another thread, but they are saying that Hook’s life is worth more than Robin’s (even if it’s not their intention). People might believe Hook is redeemed and that’s fine, he’s still someone who committed murder many times over, lied, cheated, stole, shot innocent women, threatened innocents, and other nasty things. Robin’s crime is that he’s boring. That’s it. If Zeus has the power to bring people back from the dead (and even non existence because this show can handwave anythig in and out of existence)….then it should be the boring father of two who never did anything really horrible outside of a wonky code of honor and some indecisiveness.
YES! And the “boring” issue can be fixed by waking up the writers. If they cannot write for Robin Hood then find a fresh mind who can.
Barring any BTS drama (and for all I know there was something BTS, like some of us have speculated) then the fact that professional writers can’t figure out how to 1) make Robin more interesting and dynamic AND 2) figure out how to keep Regina interesting, moving forward without resorting to killing another love interest and possibly reverting to the EQ ….baffles the mind. It’s literally their job.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Barring any BTS drama (and for all I know there was something BTS, like some of us have speculated) then the fact that professional writers can’t figure out how to 1) make Robin more interesting and dynamic AND 2) figure out how to keep Regina interesting, moving forward without resorting to killing another love interest and possibly reverting to the EQ ….baffles the mind. It’s literally their job.
Exactly!!!
I actually don’t think anything happened BTS. Except maybe that Sean would like more lines, and who can blame the guy.
Barring any BTS drama (and for all I know there was something BTS, like some of us have speculated) then the fact that professional writers can’t figure out how to 1) make Robin more interesting and dynamic AND 2) figure out how to keep Regina interesting, moving forward without resorting to killing another love interest and possibly reverting to the EQ ….baffles the mind. It’s literally their job.
Exactly!!! I actually don’t think anything happened BTS. Except maybe that Sean would like more lines, and who can blame the guy.
Agree to both
Keeper of Regina's bravery
Someone answer a plot mechanic question for me!
Did Hook’s body actually come out of his grave? Cause it seemed like it was just his soul that Zeus zapped back? Didn’t Hades say that Hook’s body would have begun to rot (and it would….)? Did Zeus fix that too? Or is Hook’s body still in the ground and but Hook’s spirit was given life or something? What about his Excalibur wound? Did Zeus fix that too?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Someone answer a plot mechanic question for me!
Did Hook’s body actually come out of his grave? Cause it seemed like it was just his soul that Zeus zapped back? Didn’t Hades say that Hook’s body would have begun to rot (and it would….)? Did Zeus fix that too? Or is Hook’s body still in the ground and but Hook’s spirit was given life or something? What about his Excalibur wound? Did Zeus fix that too?
All perfectly legitimate and pointless questions.
There’s are SO MANY reasons why it was a stupid move for them to write Hook back to life at all, let alone the nonsensical way they did it. But they went and did it anyway.
Someone answer a plot mechanic question for me! Did Hook’s body actually come out of his grave? Cause it seemed like it was just his soul that Zeus zapped back? Didn’t Hades say that Hook’s body would have begun to rot (and it would….)? Did Zeus fix that too? Or is Hook’s body still in the ground and but Hook’s spirit was given life or something? What about his Excalibur wound? Did Zeus fix that too?
I have no idea. It’s so nonsensical at this point. Hook kan come back in spirit form or with a new body, decaying corpse be damned … Robin, just poof … I’m so tired of this …
Let’s all be civil about this but….did Hook deserve to come back to life (by way of a god-blessing from Zeus)?
If you mean from a moral perspective then…I think not. I agree with WickedRegal and yourself. But another interesting question is: do you believe Hook deserves to return based on what he adds to the story? Is he an interesting character? Does he contribute to the plot? Are his dynamics with the other characters important to the show? For me, the answer to all three of the above questions is ‘no’. I find him rather bland, and his character doesn’t have much depth or complexity anymore. His sole reason for existence is Emma. He doesn’t drive the plot forward – not through is own actions anyway. As Screwball Ninja points out, Hook’s narrative function is that of a henchman. He is simply a supporting actor – these days, to Emma and the Charmings. Finally, he doesn’t have much of a relationship with anyone except Emma. Their relationship’s been front and centre this season, but it doesn’t integrate into the rest of the story all that well. It’s not like Emma and Regina, or Emma and Henry which really form the core of the entire show. Anyone else have any thoughts about this?
Hook is no more deserving than a lot of other characters. And the problem for me this episode was that if we were to put Robin and Hook on a scale next to each other, Robin would win – never really the villain, always putting others first, the father of two young children one of whom is now an orphan. I have nothing against Hook, but bringing him back and obliterating Robin is somewhat of a mockery, in my opinion.
And another thing to add…..that whole episode, Hook was concerned about no one but Emma. Not Henry, not Snow White & Charming, not Regina or Robin, all who came to Hell in the first place to get him….no one but Emma! I get that they’re supposed to be considered “true love” and all now, but that’s very unsettling because it further proves the theory that everyone in that family could die, and Hook wouldn’t bat an eye as long as it isn’t Emma.
Then again he sort of fits right in that sort of family because if you’re not in that immediate CharMillsStilskin Clan, who really cares about you?
I don’t mean to be rash but it sounds like most people here hate the show? So…why are you still watching if you hate it? Is hate watching a show entertaining, healthy? If I don’t like where a show is going I simply tune out. Daniel always promotes coming to this forum to have all kinds of discussions but from being here just for a couple of hours I can already tell this isn’t the place for me. For one I actually like Hook and it seems like everyone here dislikes him and his relationship with Emma which is my favorite on the show.. Shame really. I thought his revival was amazing, he’s absolutely earned it as he has become a true hero. Even Zeus has acknowledged the great things Killian has done by giving him a second chance and basically saying the place he belongs is by Emma’s side.
Well to answer your first question, it’s because we’ve invested the past five years of our lives into this show, and since we’re know it’s reaching it’s end anyway…what would be the point in walking out now? So we do what we do best with episodes, grin and bare them, and try to find something that either reminds of us the good old days or go against our better judgment and embrace something new in the show.
Secondly…there is a Captain Hook Thread and there is a CaptainSwan Thread, both places are massive Hook fans, you should really check it out. However, don’t allow our personal opinion of Hook stop you from mingling and interacting with the rest of the forums. We love to have friendly debates and discussions on everything OUAT Related, and would love to hear your own thoughts, but these past five years, we’ve learned to not dabble in conversations that would result in conflict. Just as you have your opinion that Hook deserved Zeus’s God Blessing, I have my opinion that he did not, so between you and I, we can just agree to disagree on that matter, and move forward with the thread discussion.
But again, welcome to the forums!
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