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I think this arc could have benefited from cutting a few stories and putting in others. Things we did not need, in the long run: 1) Hercules/Meg storyline of 513 2) James and David 3) Ruby Slippers Cut those and give us flashbacks of Zeus/Hades’ story and maybe Zeus decision to bring back Hook wouldn’t feel so tacked on at the last second.
Completely agree 100%. It’s almost like they didn’t know what to do with Hades in the past. Or they are saving the Zeus stuff and the Gods for another time…
[adrotate group="5"]To say he wouldn’t bat an eye if the rest of them died is just silly, and quite frankly, some anti-hook nonsense.Well excuse the bitterness dear…it must be the resentment and rage talking.
While I do give credit to Hook’s….well…whatever form of help he was during this Underworld Arc, let’s also remember the reason why our heroes had to go to Hell in the first place. For future reasons, I do hope Hook has a couple of sessions with Archie….we need not him blowing another fuse and trying to send everyone to Hell again.
As for Robin Hood coming back…yeah…his soul is in a billion pieces floating around Storybrooke….and the baby was named after him, chances of Robin coming back are slim to none.
Right and maybe these actions shouldn’t outweigh all the bad. But that’s why I think it was so important to get into Zeus’ mind here. And we didn’t.
Okay, I can see Zeus’s point of view that although Hook’s actions didn’t contribute to killing Hades, his intentions were still pure and just. However, why should Hook be brought back and Robin left to die? What made Hook’s life more valuable than Hood’s? That is the ultimate question….I know we all have our theories, but I just want to hear Adam and Eddy’s explanation for this one.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I think this resurrection would have gone over better if (1) S5a had unfolded very differently and (2) Robin Hood hadn’t died during the same episode (in a way which means Robin can probably never come back). So, it seems cold to a lot of fans who liked Regina and Robin together, or who, at the very least, think it’s not true to the message of hope and second chances or fair to orphan very young children (on a “family” show) while other non-parents get to be resurrected for reasons. Also, I get the feeling the writers almost like drama for drama’s sake, because they must be aware how upset Regina/Robin fans were going to be. Did they have to film Hook and Emma’s reunion in front of Robin’s casket before it was even buried? Sheesh! Talk about putting salt in the wound!
THIS!!! DEAR GOD, THIS!!!!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Yeah, CS’ makeout scene in front of the coffin was in bad taste. I’m surprised they didn’t go the whole hog and have them make out ON the coffin not that Emma would give a damn because so long as she had HER man back, she doesn’t care about anything else.
As for Hook not batting an eye if everyone else died (obviously with the exception of Emma), I don’t think he would be too cut up over it. He’d acknowledge the death and the meaning the person had to Emma (So if the death was Belle or Rumple, don’t expect any sort of emotion other than “oh well” in Belle’s case and “woohoo” in Rumple’s case), then Hook would be more than happy for Emma to cry on his shoulder whilst he “comforts” her.
Overall, I liked Hook this episode. However, I think that’s because he was written in broship mode with Arthur rather than romantic ship mode with Emma at least for most of the Episode. For me, Hook is better and more tolerable when he’s interacting and having to work with another male instead of gushing over Emma.
The problem with CS is that neither character fits the role they’re forced into. Hook isn’t a knight in shining armour, he’s done bad things, but rather than have him deal with his past and evolve, the writers ignore it and try and whitewash him. Because the character hasn’t done the legwork, his “redemption” is hollow. There’s no substance to it and, unlike Regina whose return to the dark side would be a tragedy because of all the work she’s put in, whenever Hook turns “dark” it’s less “oh no how terrible” and more “Hook’s finally showing his true colours and as usual it’s being whitewashed because Hook is a creator’s pet who ticks all the criteria”. This creates problems especially when it bares similarities to other characters eg Hook as the dark one. Either he wasn’t accountable for his actions as the DO in which case Rumple shouldn’t be held accountable either, or if Rumple is accountable for his DO actions then Hook needs to be accountable too. You can’t have a special rule for one character to absolve them of all blame and demonise others for the same actions.
Emma’s character has been butchered to make CS work. Out of all the “heroes”, Emma is now the most unlikeable.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think Hook putting those pages back into the book was “crucial” to the storyline…. basically for plot reasons for Robin’s death to happen the way the writers wanted!
They wanted only four people in the scene when Robin was killed by Hades. Robin and Hades, of course, plus Regina (for Robin to sacrifice himself for), and as-of-yet-unnamed baby Robin (for the motivation for Regina and Robin to be there in the first place). The didn’t want Zelena there, because she couldn’t see Hades attempt to, or successfully, kill her sister, or her baby’s father, in cold blood.
Both Zelena’s baby and TL Hades were there, so they needed a convenient excuse to have her not be there. Because people on TV can’t go to the bathroom, they had to come up with something else… Intruder(s) that were a distraction from Robin or Regina.
So who would that be? No one was going to do a full frontal assault except a grief-guilt-stricten Emma. She of course was reasonably encouraged earlier not to. So they needed to come up with an excuse for her to change her mind. And here we insert the MacGuffin, the book pages, which are in the Underworld. Cue Hook, and his new bro Arthur.
In my head cannon Zeus saw a kindred spirit in Hook. And I mean the traditional Zeus from mythology, temperamental and womanizing 😉
1) Hercules/Meg storyline of 513
And they could have just incorporated this into the Zeus/Hades flashbacks.
2) James and David
They could have given this, like one or two scenes.
3) Ruby Slippers
……*takes this episode and holds it close* >> I liked this one 😛
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICHook may have had good intentions in this episode, but that seems like a weak explanation for why he ‘deserved’ to come back. There’s no way Hook was the first person ever to intend to kill Hades. He just happened to benefit from these massive slices of luck:
1) Hades being out of the UW, so it was possible to sneak into his throne room.
2) Having Arthur with him to find the pages in the throne.
3) Zelena killing Hades at the same time that Hook wanted to.
But it all just comes back to the fact that any slight good that Hook does is given a disproportionately large weight, whereas his misdeeds are given a ridiculously low weight.
Hook may have had good intentions in this episode, but that seems like a weak explanation for why he ‘deserved’ to come back. There’s no way Hook was the first person ever to intend to kill Hades. He just happened to benefit from these massive slices of luck:
1) Hades being out of the UW, so it was possible to sneak into his throne room.
2) Having Arthur with him to find the pages in the throne.
3) Zelena killing Hades at the same time that Hook wanted to.
But it all just comes back to the fact that any slight good that Hook does is given a disproportionately large weight, whereas his misdeeds are given a ridiculously low weight.
^^^^^THIS
Bc at the end of the day is like RG said before, they prefered Hook over other characters that deserved more, like RH, Marian, Merlin, Neal, etc, so what makes Hook more than them for Zeus to say that just bc Hook put one pages in a book deserves to return to life, i mean really, the innocent ones that died bc they were murdered and the others that sacrifice themselves for others, die and go to heaven or dont go anywhere, simply are aniquilated, dont have a second chance given by Zeus, yet put some book pages gives one character a pass to return, like really, makes no sense. At this point even bringing Hook with some thing related to TL or related to the test would have been better that trying to copy harry potter.BC the whole Zeus scene made no sense, i even talked about with some friend and she couldnt stop laughing, bc she said Zeus looked like a 16 year old, that works as part time tfor A&e serving them coffee and they simply ask him to make a 5 second scene and be zeus, she call that the worst zeus she even saw, she said he didnt look at all like the actor pic that was circuling on the internet.
worst zeus she even saw, she said he didnt look at all like the actor pic that was circuling on the internet.
I know! When I saw the pic, I prepared myself for a handsome, charismatic figure. Then they went and made him look like a glowing hobo!
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