All magic comes with a price

[weedith]

I have heard that theory before that R killed Bae’s mother (based on his long hesitation before responding to Bae’s question — “she is dead.”), but I don’t get that at all. There is certainly regret there. And possibly shame, possibly R feeling responsible for her death for some reason. But I don’t get any vibe that he killed her. Just that the whole subject is painful for him, maybe just because he is grieving the loss of his wife, or maybe because the soldier was truthful and she did leave him because his behavior disgraced her.

Here is something I just thought of —- if that is true and the mother left, why wouldn’t she take the boy with her? Was she just a b**** who didn’t care about her son? Did she hate the boy too because she thought he would turn out just like his father? Or (and this is the one possible scenario where I could see R murdering her) did she try to leave with the boy and R couldn’t bear to lose his son and so killed her. I could imagine that happening.

As far as R being a coward they certainly drove that point home over and over, but I would like to see the circumstances of R’s supposed cowardice in battle. He did tell Bae he had no choice. Personally, if faced with a horde of angry ogres I think I would run too!

[nonnie]

I mean, isn’t it odd that only ‘Grumpy’ seemed to question their ideas on work. “And we like it?” to which the lead dwarf responds, “We love it! We even whistle while we do it.”

Didn’t Grumpy’s egg get sprinkled with fairy dust before he hatched? Is that not the reason why he could fall in love?

If Nova and Dreamy had kids would they be hatched from an egg? I sure would not want to be the fairy that passed an egg… they are bigger than the fairy. 😳 🙄

[nonnie]

Are you talking about pre-curse Rumplestiltskin? I didn’t see anything in that character that would make me think he was a murderer or a babysnatcher. Or do you think the curse didn’t really change his base character, it just gave him the power to accomplish the evil that had been in his heart from the beginning.

I really hope we get more information on what exactly the Dark One curse does. How much of the person’s original character stays intact and how much is it subsumed by the power/curse? Could a good enough person overcome the darkness and use the power for good? Or is the fact that it is call The Dark One a giveaway that whoever gets cursed is going to get buried under the evil?

Yeah i am talking about pre dark one Rumpel. There was just something about the scene where Bae and Rumpel were talking about his mother that made me think that he might have killed his wife meaning Bae’s mother or that he stole Bae from his mother. I don’t think that the curse changed his base behavior. I think that he was the same a coward and a murderer and he might have been a baby snatcher. We don’t really know though. There was just something about that scene.[/b]

I am thinking that in mid evil times/ dark ages that the over lord could avail himself of any young woman in the relm. Maybe she was taken by the overlord and Brea resulted from that union. Rumple could have been honorable and stood by her…. There were a lot of weird statements made by the soldiers that alluded to a sorid story…. I will have to watch the episode again some time to see if I was under the correct impression.

[hjbau]

It was just that the hesitation made it seem like Rumpel was hiding something when he and Bae were talking about his mother. And at another point the guard was insinuating that Bae may not even really be Rumpel’s son so maybe Rumpel heard those rumors before. It just made me think that there was something there. And Rumpel seems like a coward. His son is more then willing to go to the army to fight in the wars even though he is frightened and Bae stands up to those guards when they come. It is Rumpel that wants to run and it is Rumpel that wants to burn that castle down and kill the dark one for his power. That is all Rumpel and all bad.

[weedith]

I think that Rumple trying to keep his son from being fed into the meat grinder that was the ogre war is not bad or cowardly. They say that the war has “taken its toll” and that is why they are now conscripting 14 year old boys AND girls. Yes, Rumple cowered before the soldiers like a lame peasant before FIVE bullies on horseback. The boy was full of adolescent bravado because he didn’t know the way the world works. Rumplestiltskin does. Trying to save his son, even through scheming and stealing is something most any parent would do. If Rumple was indeed a coward, to me that makes his efforts that much more noble because he overcame his very nature in order to protect his son. Say what you want about the rest of what he does, you’ll never persuade me that these particular actions were anything but good and totally justified.

[nightreader]

I agree with weedith, what Rumple did was to protect his son and any parent would have done it. Sure, some who might be braver than he was would have gone some other way and tried to fight the guards or something but Rumple was obviously not capable of that (not just the coward part but also the leg part, it’s a lot harder to fight with a limp). I also feel like even now Rumple wouldn’t harm children because he knows what it’s like to be a parent and kids remind him too much of his son.
He also didn’t give me any vibe of being cruel or capable of murder before he was cursed, that time he was talking about his wife he just seemed sad that she was gone and like he regretted that he might have had a part in her leaving/dying. If he was hiding anything I think it would be that she really did run away like the guard said.

[Slurpeez]

Magic is one of those things that can have either positive or negative consequences, depending on the intentions of the one who yields it. The wand, according to Rumple in ep. 4, was “pure evil” but I think he said that because he already had a vendetta against fairies. Of course, we do know from ep. 3 that evil fairies exist and that their fairy dust is harmful. I think that there can be either negative or positive consequences to magic depending on the moral makeup of the one who grants a wish. So far, only Rumple says, “all magic comes at a price.” It is in his interest to say so, since he gets to make a deal in his favor. I think in that case of the Blue Fairy, however, she is righting a wrong, so the consequences are favorable, like Jiminy becoming a cricket to help Gepetto.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[hjbau]

I just don’t think it is that simple. I totally agree that if it was my kid i wouldn’t want them to fight in a war. And i think it is a little weird that they are taking kids instead of the parents, but it just isn’t that simple that taking the kids is just bad. The war could be going really badly and they really needed the soldiers. We just don’t know. And Rumple did murder the dark one when he was just a man and he did it without much thought either. He didn’t even worry about murdering him, he only seemed to worry about whether or not he wanted to control his power and his fear about that. When it came down to it he just stabbed the guy.

And i know that we in the present day who live somewhere fairly safe think about these things very differently and think about children very differently, but our now is not their then and it is just not that simple to say what Rumpel did was good or justified.

[rumplegoldfankristi]

The Dark One purposely provoked Rumple into stabbing him in order to free himself from the curse of being the Dark One. That’s why he made the comments about does Rumple really know if Bae is really his son (implying his wife was unfaithful, not that Rumple stole him from someone else). The Dark One knew that would make Rumple mad enough to stab him with the dagger which would then transfer the curse to Rumple. From what I could tell, Rumple seemed pretty horrified when the Dark One changed back into a man and he realized who he had just stabbed. Until that happened, he thought he had stabbed an evil and Dark presence, not necessarily a human being. Remember, Rumple doesn’t consider himself to be a man either since he became the Dark One. I simply had the feeling that Rumple was trying to protect Bae from the truth about his mother. Because if she truely left Rumple because he was coward, then that means she left Bae as well. So to protect Bae from knowing that he was abandoned by his mother he told him that she was dead.

[Slurpeez]

@sjm: The exact quotation from the Blue Fairy re. magic dust was: “Fairy dust is the most precious substance in all the land. Its magic is what powers the world.” In other words, the dust’s magic is what powers the world, and implicitly, what gives the fairies their magic.

@cruel_fortuna: You said, “The fairies still have to pay for their magic.” I think you’re right about this. and I think that the price they have to pay is they lose their wings if they don’t grant wishes for people. Similarly, I think the dwarfs may be bound to a life of service, which may also be part of the price of magic.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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