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I’m not mad at you @RumplesGirl. You’re being an awesome mod as usual.
I’m mad @slurpeez108 because I really do not appreciate being called “bias” simply because I’m a CS ‘shipper. This is a ‘ships thread and it’s not.
It’s a guide and also, a fun thing for ‘shippers out there who ‘ship stuff like Henry + Cinnabon, or Hook + the Floor.
This thread was never meant to showcase only one type of ‘ship, primarily, what is canon True Love. It’s meant to showcase every ‘ship our minds can come up with.
So again, this thread is not bias because it showcases ALL ‘ships. Nothing is ever left off and I even monitor the chatbox because you guys come up with interesting names for different ‘ships and I like to include that on the list as well.
FYI, I actually came up with 4 colors to begin with so maybe, later down the line, I’ll consider revisiting that system.
[adrotate group="5"]True Love, to me is true love when it is reciprocated by both parties who share it. This is not a new concept, guys. We’ve seen it within the show.
So why is CS classified as “true love” in your list when Emma has not once said that she loves him, in fact she stated that the kiss was just a kiss, and didn’t outright admit to there being any emotion behind it? Meanwhile, Emma has said she never stopped loving Neal, and will probably always love him, which means she CURRENTLY loves him, yet they don’t qualify for your “true love” criteria? Honestly, it just seems that your reasoning is being applied in a biased way, ignoring actual canon facts.
Hook: “I never thought I’d be capable of letting go of my first love, my Milah. To believe that I could find someone else. That is, until I met you.”
Hook: “As you wish.” Translation as everyone knows: “I love you.”
Emma: “I dunno, it’s been a while, I was feeling good, I dunno. It was just a kiss.”
Neal: “Tell Emma I’m alive, and I love her.”
Emma: “I love you, I probably always will.”
If you want to set a rule that the qualifying factor for “romantic relationship” vs “relationship” is that “it is reciprocated by both parties” then by your own logic, SF does currently qualify as “romantic relationship” and CS does not, and that’s not my bias talking, that’s just citing actual dialogue from the show. Unless I’m forgetting an instance where Emma used the word “love” in relation to Hook, (if so then I will concede the point)?
Even if you don’t want to classify SF as a current day “romantic relationship” for whatever reason, they have most definitely had a “romantic relationship” in the past, and as such should not be demoted. Whatever you personally perceive their present day relationship to be, that does not erase their past romantic relationship.
I’m gonna have to agree with Phee. CS isn’t canon nor TL either so it might be misleading for you to color-code it red, especially for first-timers who take a look at your list. They might assume that CS is the official couple without it being confirmed yet. I may be a SF shipper but I know it’s not canon yet, similar to SQ and CS. All we know as of know with regards to Emma is that her TL isn’t confirmed yet.
I’m mad @slurpeez108 because I really do not appreciate being called “bias” simply because I’m a CS ‘shipper. This is a ‘ships thread and it’s not.
I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, for which I apologize. I was merely trying to point out an inconsistancy. I think the word preference would’ve been better to use, since the term bias sometimes carries the connotation of prejudice. Yet, I admit to having a SwanFire bias, by which I mean preference. What I meant is that you’re favoring one couple over another, but in doing so, are being inconsistent with your own stated methodology of classifying past vs ongoing romances/true loves.
Fact 1: Neal and Emma had a romance in the past.
Decision 1: Demote SF to the blue friendship zone since you think Emma/Neal now only have platonic love in your estimation.
Fact 2: Cora and Rumple had a romance in the past.
Decision 2: Keep Rumple and Cora in the red/romance zone, despite the fact that their relationship is no longer on-going because Cora is dead and Rumple loves Belle. This is inconsistent with your stated system that a romance must be on-going to get painted as red.
It feels like a snub to SF fans when they see Rumple and Cora’s previous relationship get painted as red, even though theirs was in the past and is no longer ongoing, while you decide that SF is now platonic, even though they had a romance in the past. Cora and Rumple’s relationship is over, so according to the system, ought to be blue (which actually makes little sense, given that they had a romance). You’ve shown an inconsistency by delegating Emma/Neal to the blue platonic zone, despite their past romance, and yet, you left Rumple/Cora as red, even though their relationship is indisputably in the past. Don’t you see how that could be taken as hurtful to those of fans who love Swanfire?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
First, everyone gets a cookie. A big ol’ “we are all ONCERS” cookie. Remember how unified we used to be before the shipping took over?
Everyone has made really good points–EVERYONE! Obisgirl, myself, Phee, Alexine, Slurpeez, all good points but now we’ve got hurt feelings on both sides. I’m at a loss because there is no solution that will appease all sides.
Obisgirl, like I said it’s your list, your thread but maybe there is a solution we could come up with as a team not only to reduce the hurt feelings but to lessen the confusion any newcomer might feel.
But at the end of the day, it’s just a list(one I’m grateful to have!) and however any one ship has been classified doesn’t change how *you* feel about them or how *you* think their story will play out.
Again with the cookies.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"obisgirl wrote: I’m mad @slurpeez108 because I really do not appreciate being called “bias” simply because I’m a CS ‘shipper. This is a ‘ships thread and it’s not.
I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, for which I apologize. I was merely trying to point out an inconsistency. I think the word preference would’ve been better to use, since the term bias sometimes carries the connotation of prejudice. Yet, I admit to having a SwanFire bias, by which I mean preference. What I meant is that you’re favoring one couple over another, but in doing so, are being inconsistent with your own stated methodology of classifying past vs ongoing romances/true loves.
I understand that now. But it could have been phrased differently earlier (so it wasn’t so offensive).
Fact 1: Neal and Emma had a romance in the past.
Decision 1: Demote SF to the blue friendship zone since you think Emma/Neal now only have platonic love in present day (which is a matter of opinion). Therefore, their romance is no longer on-going according to your stated classification system.
Fact 2: Cora and Rumple had a romance in the past.
Decision 2: Keep Rumple and Cora in the red/romance zone, despite the fact that their relationship is no longer on-going because Cora is dead and Rumple loves Belle. This is inconsistent with your stated system that a romance must be on-going to get painted as red.[/color]
I will update the color coding system.
It feels like a snub to SF fans when they see Rumple and Cora’s previous relationship get painted as red, even though theirs was in the past and is no longer ongoing, while you decide that SF is now platonic, even though they had a romance in the past. Don’t you see how that could be taken as hurtful to those of fans who love Swanfire?
It is not a snub.
Once again, I must remind you all what that this thread is supposed to be: a fun thing for you guys.
I realize there are more SF fans than CS fans and that bothers me too because sometimes I feel like I’m alone and often get snubbed myself, for ever expressing my opinion because it’s often viewed as wrong by SF fans.
If you all want to continue debating CSF, please leave it out of this thread and use the CSF thread. This thread is NOT for that. So I better not hear complaints from anyone that I am switching SF to not red or whatever.
Now, here is the new color coding/definitions:
TL = Current True Love – Couples that had True Love in the past and are still together now, in the present.
TL = Past True Love – Couples that were True Love’s in the past (flashbacks) but are currently not together in the present.
RC = Relationship Canon – any relationship between characters on Once Upon a Time, that is not romantic. Friendships, bromances, sister relationships, rivalries, frenemies…etc that have been shown to be canon. Characters interacted on screen in a non-romantic manner. I’m going to include present interactions.
AUR/CR = Alternate Universe RelationshipDoes that work for everyone?
I like this thread. I would suggest titling the pink colour as “Past Love” rather than “Past True Love” since even though it was a romance in the past, there’s no evidence that it was “True love”. For example, Rumple and Cora had a past romantic relationship but it definitely wasn’t true love because Cora’s kisses didn’t even attempt to break Rumple’s curse. Likewise with SwanFire, it was a past romantic relationship, but there isn’t any evidence it was true love.
Also Graham and Emma, whilst her kiss woke him from the curse (technically a sign of “true love”), their relationship wasn’t really true love but the fact is Emma’s kisses have that effect because she is true love personified so they would fit in the past love category.
Perhaps there should be a 5th colour for “current love interests” so SwanFire and CaptainSwan would fit in this category. Neither relationship has proven to be true love YET (unlike RumBelle and Snowing) yet there is a chance that either relationship could ascend to true love status or descend to past romance. Ariel and Eric could fit into “current love interest” since there is no proof YET that they are true love.
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Keeper of FelixI like this thread. I would suggest titling the pink colour as “Past Love” rather than “Past True Love” since even though it was a romance in the past, there’s no evidence that it was “True love”. For example, Rumple and Cora had a past romantic relationship but it definitely wasn’t true love because Cora’s kisses didn’t even attempt to break Rumple’s curse. Likewise with SwanFire, it was a past romantic relationship, but there isn’t any evidence it was true love. Also Graham and Emma, whilst her kiss woke him from the curse (technically a sign of “true love”), their relationship wasn’t really true love but the fact is Emma’s kisses have that effect because she is true love personified so they would fit in the past love category.
Made those changes already!
I think having a fifth color might be too much. For that, I just denote with an “*” beside the couple. Especially since we only have two couples that fit into that category at the moment.
I might have missed this on your list (holy moly that’s a lot boats) or you haven’t added it since technically they’ve had no interaction but people have thrown around the idea of Pan/Wendy. Some are calling it Pendy or Pandy, I do believe.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I might have missed this on your list (holy moly that’s a lot boats) or you haven’t added it since technically they’ve had no interaction but people have thrown around the idea of Pan/Wendy. Some are calling it Pendy or Pandy, I do believe.
It’s number 87 but no shipper names on it. 🙂
"We were happy."
"Because... it was born out of true love."
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