Another Mark Isham Leak: Neal's Warning?

[Rainbow]

I saw someone posting a interesting theory about this online, the person was saying that this is the  music name, that probably was used in 319 when Neal send the warning to Hook and that  Mark keeps re- using old songs from past seasons, since no more soundtracks from the show were released, so this is just the song name, because Mark would not change the song title , just because will be used in another season, so the tune is the same, the name has to keep being the same. So can simply means this is a song name and not that Neal is not back, Mark is just using that song composed for 319.

I think this is actually a interesting theory and probably the thing that will happen, bc lets be real, why would they want to keep a secret of Neal cameo in epi 100 , when so many other characters are coming back? In fact revealing that fact could make them gain viewers, so if this was true and Neal would appear even if in one scene, they would only gain, so no reason to keep  it a surprise during so long.

But something tells me if not today or tomorrow, on Wednesday i would almost bet Matt M from Tv line, will have a article where MRJ says will say something about this, or he wont be appearing in ouat, or that he will be or even in worst case scenario( bc brings doubt) he will say “never say never” , which for Oncers that means “yeah i will comeback to ouat”.

[RumplesGirl]

I saw someone posting a interesting theory about this online, the person was saying that this is the music name, that probably was used in 319 when Neal send the warning to Hook and that Mark keeps re- using old songs from past seasons, since no more soundtracks from the show were released, so this is just the song name, because Mark would not change the song title ,

Yes I was thinking something along the same lines. We know that Mark reuses music and musical cues during certain scenes (the Evil Queen’s menacing music, the Rumbelle music); little hints that that invoke the past. It’s very possible that Mark is just reusing some music and his hand was slapped (by A and E or by ABC) not because MRJ is actually coming back (or because they are going to use Neal again) but because showing that picture on Instagram makes it LOOK like they are going to and that causes an uproar.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thedarkonedearie]

How disappointing that would be…

[Gaultheria]

Would it be good if Neal came back? I know that people like the character and the actor, but I think a return wouldn’t work. Neal was part of a story from years ago. The show has moved on, even though for the worse, and I don’t think it can regain what it had even by bringing all the ingredients back together.

While there’s a lot of unhappiness out there about unresolved (and poorly resolved) Neal storylines, do Neal fans really think that there’s any way to get satisfaction in that regard now? Wouldn’t any appearance by MRJ as Neal now just feel like cheap stuntcasting?

I get the appeal of looking back with nostalgia, even though MRJ as Neal wasn’t my thing, but I don’t see anything other than disappointment in store for the Neal fans even if he does come back to the show.

Gaultheria's fanvids: http://youtube.com/sagethrasher

[RumplesGirl]

do Neal fans really think that there’s any way to get satisfaction in that regard now?

I won’t speak for all of us cause I know there is descent in the ranks, but speaking as one of the biggest Neal and SF fans on this little forum of ours, if MRJ actually comes back and if Neal shows up for a full five seconds to give some sort of cryptic warning but with no follow through (you know, saving him so he can live a life with his son at the very least) so that A and E can pat themselves on the back for thinking that they’ve appeased the parts of the fandom that are unhappy about a whole host of things, someone will have to very patiently and repeatedly remind me that I cannot fly out to LA and punch A and E in the face.

Like I said over in SF: if this turns out to be something, it’s cruel. And it’s cruel in the most malicious way possible.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

do Neal fans really think that there’s any way to get satisfaction in that regard now?

Nope. They were onto a good thing, but they veered away from it, and now it’s too far gone to reclaim what once was. (This sentence can be applied to multiple characters and plots, not just Neal.)

Wouldn’t any appearance by MRJ as Neal now just feel like cheap stuntcasting?

Sadly, yes. Pretty much every time they so much as mention him it feels like salt in the wound, so though I’d have a fleeting moment of happiness at seeing Neal on screen again, it’d be rapidly overwhelmed by absolute bitterness.

[nevermore]

While there’s a lot of unhappiness out there about unresolved (and poorly resolved) Neal storylines, do Neal fans really think that there’s any way to get satisfaction in that regard now?
<p style=”text-align: left;”>

</p>
<p style=”text-align: left;”> I think there are two different issues here: fans of MRJ and Neal’s character, and fans of that “old” story into which Neal was so thoughtfully integrated. I was a fan of MLois portrayal of Neal, but more importantly I was a fan of those storylines.  At this point most of the main characters for whom Neal was central (Emma, Rumple and Henry) have moved on to the point of being barely recognizable. I don’t think there is a place for Neal on the show as it stands.</p>

[TheWatcher]

I don’t think there is a place for Neal on the show as it stands.

I agree, but I don’t think his character should be completely wiped clean from the slate, erased for existence, a character of non-mentions. Like I said elsewhere, it makes sense that a dead character with ties to our main cast would be able to and would want to give them a warning about the mission they are about to make. It makes sense to me that Neal would do that even if he is powerless to stop them. I mean, his son is in the land of the dead! I’d be spinning in my grave.

I personally think it’s a nice addition. A definite grab for ratings and viewers of old SF shippers and Neal lovers, but logical and believable to me.

But I  could also believe this is just the title of the music to be played for the first scene of the episode. I hope we get some answers about it soon enough.

I really don’t care anymore either way though. It’d be cool, but I am really over this show, so it’ll be a brief moment “hey look, that’s cool” before I go back into “meh”  mood.

"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC

[RumplesGirl]

I don’t think his character should be completely wiped clean from the slate, erased for existence, a character of non-mentions.

None of us believe that, not a single one of us. But A and E do. And they’ve been doing just that with a fair amount of consistency for several arcs now.

Like I said elsewhere, it makes sense that a dead character with ties to our main cast would be able to and would want to give them a warning about the mission they are about to make.

Of course it makes sense; it’s going to happen with Cora, Pan, Cruella, and others. The problem is that there is no logical follow through with Neal. He’s going to appear, warn them, and then be totally forgotten once more, never mentioned, never seen, never thought about. He’s a shiny object for the writers to play with before disposing.

I think we’re (you and I specifically) having two slightly different conversations, Watcher, with this matter. Does it make sense that Neal would be in the Underworld and would want to help his true love and his son and keep them safe? Absolutely yes. But it’s being done in a way that is (I keep using this word) cruel and hurtful because of the way it could potentially play out: warning the SB gang and then fading back into non-existence with no one stopping to think about saving him too; no one pondering if Neal’s life is worth saving, if maybe Henry would like to have his father, to acknowledge that Neal’s death wasn’t fair (the words Emma used in regards to Hook), that maybe he (Neal) was a real hero and a good man besides and didn’t deserve to die and maybe there’s some magical mcguffin out there to help! None of that will happen.

I object not to the idea of Neal helping out but how the writers ride roughshod over him and his memory time and time and time again. Using his character to manipulate the audience and then forget all about him as if he was never important.

I am sincerely hoping that this is just the name of piece of music used in 319 that Isham is using again and Instagram’d it without thinking. Let Neal’s final moment be on that set of swings, connecting with his true love, not as some messenger who appears and disappears with no one stopping to care.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[thedarkonedearie]

I think we’re (you and I specifically) having two slightly different conversations, Watcher, with this matter. Does it make sense that Neal would be in the Underworld and would want to help his true love and his son and keep them safe? Absolutely yes. But it’s being done in a way that is (I keep using this word) cruel and hurtful because of the way it could potentially play out: warning the SB gang and then fading back into non-existence with no one stopping to think about saving him too; no one pondering if Neal’s life is worth saving, if maybe Henry would like to have his father, to acknowledge that Neal’s death wasn’t fair (the words Emma used in regards to Hook), that maybe he (Neal) was a real hero and a good man besides and didn’t deserve to die and maybe there’s some magical mcguffin out there to help! None of that will happen.

I absolutely agree here.  It’s a no-brainer really.  And once again, I’m not a Swanfire shipper or anything, but if they simply bring him back to warn them, and then don’t address him at all the rest of the way, that is a huge slap in the face of MRJ fans, Neal fans, and really, the whole Neal story line.  They can’t just introduce him again, and then go save Hook as if Neal doesn’t matter, or give some bull crap reason why he can’t be saved, but Hook can.  Henry would have some say on whether he wants to save the father he never really knew.  Rumple would certainly have some say, and with all his dark one power, I can’t imagine he would even agree to not saving Neal.  He would go out of his way to save him, even if it meant using all the dark magic he could.  He would never agree to save Hook for Emma, when his son is just chilling right there in the same place.

But again, if MRJ is back, and not for just one scene in the beginning warning everyone, this could work.  Especially if they planned this and killed Neal off knowing they would eventually be going to the underworld and could eventually save him, or at least have the opportunity to be saved.  But I know I’m giving the writers way too much credit here.  But I can hope….

[Author]

Posts