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I figure the only thing that will set Merlin free (assuming he really is in there) is the dagger. Arthurs wants the dagger. If they had gotten the toadstool, theyd have been able to spek to merlin and he’d tell them Arthur trapped him in the tree or something and Arthur doesn’t want that. What he wants is the dagger to be used to he can steal it and not actually release merlin. He went on the trip to ensure the toadstool doesn’t arrive to Camelot.
My guess is that Merlin and Arthur came at odds about how Arthur should be leading Camelot. Merlin was traditionally Arthur’s mentor and adviser. However, Arthur could have grown too arrogant and egotistical to continue to listen to Merlin.
[adrotate group="5"]I figure the only thing that will set Merlin free (assuming he really is in there) is the dagger. Arthurs wants the dagger. If they had gotten the toadstool, theyd have been able to spek to merlin and he’d tell them Arthur trapped him in the tree or something and Arthur doesn’t want that. What he wants is the dagger to be used to he can steal it and not actually release merlin. He went on the trip to ensure the toadstool doesn’t arrive to Camelot.
My guess is that Merlin and Arthur came at odds about how Arthur should be leading Camelot. Merlin was traditionally Arthur’s mentor and adviser. However, Arthur could have grown too arrogant and egotistical to continue to listen to Merlin.
But how could Merlin, the Original Magic, The Head Hancho, The Common Denominator, The Wiz, The Chief, The King of Magic….be sealed away into a tree by a peasant turned King Arthur????!!!!!!!!! That’s the only thing that doesn’t add up to me unless Arthur had Morgana Le Fay’s help.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
^ I’m thinking he did have Morgana’s help. In fact, I think Guinevere may really be Morgana Le Fay!
If Arthur and Mordred are one, then why not Guinevere and Morgana?!? 😯
Also, I think she enchanted Lancelot with a love spell. Either to get him kicked out because he was a threat, or because she loved him.
But regardless, remember the new curse includes tree magic, suggesting that it was cast by whoever put Merlin in the tree. Maybe it was Arthur and Gwengana (Morgavere?) who cast the new curse, if the heroes found out too much about them. And Arthur does seem to remember things he shouldn’t. He said they lied about the Dark One being their daughter, and they brought the Dark One into Camelot. He shouldn’t be able to remember that, but if he helped cast the curse, then he remembers everything.
And by all indications, this is a classic Dark Curse. Which means a heart was sacrificed. Arthur can’t have sacrificed the thing he loves the most. One, Guinevere is still here, and two, I think he loves power more. Power doesn’t have a heart. But if Gwengana cast it, well, that sounds very bad for Lancelot, doesn’t it? 😮
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^ I’m thinking he <em class=”d4pbbc-italic”>did have Morgana’s help. In fact, I think Guinevere may really be Morgana Le Fay! If Arthur and Mordred are one, then why not Guinevere and Morgana?!?
Also, I think she enchanted Lancelot with a love spell. Either to get him kicked out because he was a threat, or because she loved him. But regardless, remember the new curse includes tree magic, suggesting that it was cast by whoever put Merlin in the tree. Maybe it was Arthur and Gwengana (Morgavere?) who cast the new curse, if the heroes found out too much about them. And Arthur does seem to remember things he shouldn’t. He said they lied about the Dark One being their daughter, and they brought the Dark One into Camelot. He shouldn’t be able to remember that, but if he helped cast the curse, then he remembers everything. And by all indications, this is a classic Dark Curse. Which means a heart was sacrificed. Arthur can’t have sacrificed the thing he loves the most. One, Guinevere is still here, and two, I think he loves power more. Power doesn’t have a heart. But if Gwengana cast it, well, that sounds very bad for Lancelot, doesn’t it? 
SFGThis has crossed my mind too. For some reason, I get the feeling Guinevere is the real villain, deceiving Arthur. I would actually love it if Guinevere ended up being the same person as Morgan Le Fey, or Morgan Le Fey is pretending to be Guinevere.
Either way, Guinevere seems a little Fem Fatale to me.
A&E: Surprise twist: King Arthur, the legendary hero of Camelot, is actually the villain!
Audience’s reaction:
A&E’s reaction:
Audience: It’s not like you’ve never tarnished a beloved hero and made him evil?
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
A&E: Surprise twist: King Arthur, the legendary hero of Camelot, is actually the villain!
Audience: It’s not like you’ve never tarnished a beloved hero and made him evil?
To say nothing of Bo Peep. Calling it now: Arthur used the bean to transport everyone to Storybrooke and wiped their memories.
I suspect that they’ll find out about Arthur’s shadiness, when they discover Arthur’s “thief” to be missing. They’ll use the video surveillance footage and find out what Arthur did, which Arthur doesn’t know about. So Arthur could be found out not by magic, but by science!
Yes. I was laughing at that whole exchange in the Sheriff cells because Arthur clearly has no idea that his entire episode has been caught on camera. Or, if he leaves the poison bottle in situ, that his fingerprints will reveal him as the killer.
TAKE THAT HIT FROM MODERN INVENTIONS YOU OUTDATED KNIGHT!
As for Arthur’s overall dodginess and other things….
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<li>we don’t actually know that they came back to Storybrooke with a 6 week memory gap because of a Dark Curse. We’ve seen other methods of realm transport, including a twister induced by the wand of whatever fairy that was, and a memory spell can explain the other</li>
<li>I like the idea of merging Arthur/Mordred or Guinevere/Morgana in OUAT’s take on Arthurian legend</li>
<li>I’m pretty sure I read somewhere the A&E have confirmed Mordred will not be making an appearance on OUAT, they’re only going to deal with the Arthur legend in broad terms – which makes sense, because frankly unless you’ve really got into the Arthurian legend, Mordred is a confusing character. For many people, the only well known characters or concepts from Arthur’s legend are Arthur himself, Merlin, Morgan or Morgana la Fay, Guinevere, Lancelot, the Knights of the Round Table as a concept, Camelot as an idealised kingdom, and the Holy Grail as a quest. Everything else is kind of background stuff.</li>
<li>Lancelot isn’t dead – no kidding. Cora spoke = Cora lied.</li>
<li>But seems Lancelot went to EF after he was kicked out of Camelot? We know that we are dealing with Camelot well after Lancelot/Guinevere’s tryst, and we met Lancelot in the EF the first time without any discussion of Camelot etc.</li>
<li>Arthur admits he is proud to a fault and has made mistakes for the glory of Camelot</li>
<li>Guinevere and Arthur are clearly in on “it” together, whatever it is</li>
<li>Storybrooke Arthur is aware that Emma is the Dark One, Camelot Arthur doesn’t seem to be…. yet.</li>
<li>Arthur is willing to kill his subjects to get what he wants</li>
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So what does Arthur want?Excalibur to be put back together.
Why is this important?
Dunno? Has something to do with Camelot or its future. Does Arthur want to be the Once & Future King of all the lands? Does he need Excalibur to do that?
Who put Merlin in that tree?
We know that Merlin continued to talk to/instruct the Sorcerer’s Apprentice through the cauldron, as we saw that last season. That “Sorcerer” seemed to be a disembodied spirit. Consistent with a wizard who is currently trapped in a tree? Maybe.
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<li>I think the options for who put Merlin in a tree are:
Merlin himself, for Plot Reasons</li>
<li>Arthur</li>
<li>Morgana (even if OUAT’s Morgana = Guinevere)</li>
<li>another magic user we have or have not met yet</li>
<li>the Dark One at some point in time</li>
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Presumably if it’s the Dark One, then it was Rumple, who has been the Dark One for hundreds of years. Emma’s only just become the Dark One.We assume that Merlin and Arthur have met and spoke in OUAT’s version of the story because of our history of Merlin as Arthur’s advisor – what if they haven’t? What if OUAT’s version has Merlin living years/decades/centuries before Arthur and writing down a series of prophecies about him?
When Arthur et al rode up to Granny’s diner when it slammed into Camelot, they said that Merlin had prophesied that they would come to free him. That doesn’t mean that Merlin *directly told Arthur while speaking to him* that this would happen – it could mean Merlin at some stage in the past wrote down a heap of stuff that would occur.
EDIT: WHY ARE BULLET POINTS OFFERED AS A FORMATTING OPTION IF IT DOES NOT WORK?????
I’ve tried to fix this up 3 times. It looks fine in the editing window, but goes when I hit submit. What gives? It’s stuff like this that makes me hate using these boards!
Bullet points pretty much never work. You get code vomit. That’s why most of us would just use — or something.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"LOL Slurpeez, exactly! 😆
We know that Merlin continued to talk to/instruct the Sorcerer’s Apprentice through the cauldron, as we saw that last season. That “Sorcerer” seemed to be a disembodied spirit. Consistent with a wizard who is currently trapped in a tree? Maybe.
Ooh, good point! I wonder … what if the Apprentice was using a toadstool potion to talk to Merlin???
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Also, does nobody question why Arthur never takes his sword out of it’s sheath? For example, it looked mighty odd to me when he knighted David using the sheath. (More practical, it just seemed odd.)
I don’t know how it’s supposed to be done though, just movies. How is it supposed to be done?
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