Are they the same curse?

[WickedRegal]

Perhaps the Dark Curse is weakened due to it already being cast and broken once before….and some of the side effects that used to come along weren’t able to make it because the Dark Curse wasn’t as powerful as it once was during it’s first cast?

-Thus due to the Dark Curse being weakened…it no longer requires the Heart of the Thing you love most….but instead it could require the Blood of the thing you hate(Or LOVE because we don’t know Zelena’s feelings to Regina….she could love her sister, but still want her to suffer and take everything that was hers.) Therefore Zelena required Regina’s blood because Regina is the person she loves or hates the mosts.

-But My most loved theory is that The Wizard is Zelena’s father, and the one she loved most. Therefore she required his heart, and it would explain why The Wizard wanted Zelena dead. And she uses Regina’s blood for some terrible act that we’ll probably see in the Season Finale

[Keb]

Wonderland’s brought up the possibility of breaking the laws of magic. Since new Storybrooke is so like Storybrooke when they left it, I’m wondering if it’s a new curse or if Zelena somehow found a way to change the laws of magic. She also has Rumple, who was meant to be dead…so maybe she also changed the past. Somehow made it so that they never broke the curse.

I also suspect that she somehow made Regina recast the curse. Tricky bit there is, Henry isn’t dead and nor is Robin Hood, and Robin’s too happy in the woods for Roland(!) to be a goner. So I’m not sure how that might have worked. It is, however, possible that she made someone else cast it. (eek, no no no no NO …I’m not even going to state the possibility if she used Rumple)

Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing

[runaroundmacy]

I’m gonna throw in a theory I’ve been mulling about in my head for a bit. What if the WW just isn’t as powerful as Regina? What if she tried to recreate the original curse but couldn’t, so that’s why some things just aren’t quite right?

From what Zelena has said (and she could be lying), Cora gave her up, and we don’t know who raised her so maybe she lived alone and I’m assuming in poverty for most of her life. And finally Rumple comes along and thinks she’s special, something more than just a penniless girl from some other land. But when he tries to teach her magic he just realizes she’s just not that good? That even though she’s Cora’s firstborn, there is NO WAY this girl can cast the curse he needs to find Bae. So he ditches her for Regina. So now the WW has a little knowledge of magic, but most of her power lies in fear and manipulation and she is able to essentially *trick* everyone into thinking that she’s a really powerful witch. And now that I think about it, it sounds like a pretty Wizard of Oz thing to do, make everyone think you have magic when you really don’t. How about that for a mash-up, right?

Keeper of the Cheshire Cat’s smile, Baelfire’s sword, Snow’s backpack, Robin Hood’s bow, Ariel’s purse, Ariel’s smile, Henry’s heart, Belle’s shoe collection

[RumplesGirl]

@Runaroundmacy

Interesting idea! Have we seen Zelena do anything spectacular? Besides cast maybe a super wonky curse?

She can fly, but that’s probably the broom, not her.

She POOFs a lot, but so does everyone else.

Changed her outfit but…eh

Hm. Yeah, it’s possible she just isn’t as powerful

And now that I think about it, it sounds like a pretty Wizard of Oz thing to do, make everyone think you have magic when you really don’t. How about that for a mash-up, right?

Wow!

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[runaroundmacy]

@Runaroundmacy Interesting idea! Have we seen Zelena do anything spectacular? Besides cast maybe a super wonky curse? She can fly, but that’s probably the broom, not her. She POOFs a lot, but so does everyone else. Changed her outfit but…eh Hm. Yeah, it’s possible she just isn’t as powerful.

 

That’s what made me start to wonder… We haven’t seen her do really much of anything, yet. Sorry in advance RG, but maybe that’s why she needs Rumple, because she knows that he’s more powerful than Regina, and if she controls him, she won’t actually have to do anything. She can just make *him*. And make him pay for choosing Regina over her. Double revenge whammy.

Keeper of the Cheshire Cat’s smile, Baelfire’s sword, Snow’s backpack, Robin Hood’s bow, Ariel’s purse, Ariel’s smile, Henry’s heart, Belle’s shoe collection

[RumplesGirl]

RumplesGirl wrote:

@Runaroundmacy Interesting idea! Have we seen Zelena do anything spectacular? Besides cast maybe a super wonky curse? She can fly, but that’s probably the broom, not her. She POOFs a lot, but so does everyone else. Changed her outfit but…eh Hm. Yeah, it’s possible she just isn’t as powerful.

That’s what made me start to wonder… We haven’t seen her do really much of anything, yet. Sorry in advance RG, but maybe that’s why she needs Rumple, because she knows that he’s more powerful than Regina, and if she controls him, she won’t actually have to do anything. She can just make *him*. And make him pay for choosing Regina over her. Double revenge whammy.

*moment of silence for beloved Imp*

I think you might be right about that. Rumple, crazy though he is, is still the Dark One. She needs him to do the most powerful stuff because her magic ins’t up to snuff–thus why her curse went wonky. if Rumple had cast it, it would have gone off without a hitch.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Grimmsister]

(eek, no no no no NO …I’m not even going to state the possibility if she used Rumple)

You might not want to state it but now you’ve put that idea in my head, so forgive me for stating the obvious now 😉 If she used Rumple to cast the curse, and the curse still needs the Heart of what you love the most. That Means Rumple has killed Neal. So Neal is the series regular that dies. Thats real sad and twisted. No Wonder he has gone crazy if this is true.

But Im thinking that Z probably cast the curse herself. And because Regina had already cast it and opened the door once before, Z wont need to make as big a sacrifice to recast it. Possibly she just needs Reginas blood and thats why she made that Monkey steal some. Regina is like “the key” to opening the door Again and thats also why Storybrook came back looking pretty much the same as before… So it is the same curse as what Regina cast just recasted by Z. Anyway that is what I think.

[RumplesGirl]

And because Regina had already cast it and opened the door once before, Z wont need to make as big a sacrifice to recast it.

I like the idea of the “door” already being open. Might mean it’s easier to travel from here to there. Perhaps Regina opened the door, but it’s Emma as the Savior/True Love Incarnate that keeps the door open for good.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[3princesses]

I like the idea of the door being open or it just being wonky because Zelena is weaker. I’m hoping it’s not a completely different curse, because it detracts from it being the only way Rumple could get to our world to find Bae. If there was a weaker curse, I think he would have used it.

[Phee]

I’m hoping it’s not a completely different curse, because it detracts from it being the only way Rumple could get to our world to find Bae. If there was a weaker curse, I think he would have used it.

I think it’s different in the sense that she’s basically piggy backing on the original Curse. What Zelena’s doing now wouldn’t be possible if Regina hadn’t cast the original Curse, (Zelena’s sent everyone back to SB, which wouldn’t have ever existed if not for the original Curse), so that was still something that was necessary to happen as part of Rumple’s plan and he didn’t have a way around it. Zelena’s just taking advantage of pre-existing circumstances and twisting things to suit her personal needs. SB is meant to be done and gone, it’s not really supposed to be brought back, but Zelena’s gonna find a way to do it.

And typing that last sentence makes me think of what they’ve shown on WL with Amara being saved when she wasn’t supposed to be, and how many of us are assuming she’ll die before the show ends to make things right. I wonder if the same could apply to SB, in that it wasn’t supposed to come back, so at some point, it’ll *poof* out of existence again. And now that I’m thinking of THAT, I’m wondering if the same could apply to the Dark One, and perhaps Rumple WAS undone and mortal after the stabbing, but she had a way to bring his powers back, (maybe that’s what he meant about she shouldn’t have brought him back, that was purely the Dark One talking, just using Rumple’s body as a vessel), and because that wasn’t supposed to happen, will his Dark One powers *poof* away again at some point.

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