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So in the thread on the Felix/Rumpel scene, Girlhitscar brought up that PP traditionally has a dagger, that maybe PP’s dagger controls Rumpel’s.
That reminded me of LOTR and the One Ring, that originally controlled 7 rings of power (or is it 5, I forget). The point is, the owners of several of those rings of powers get turned into ringwraiths after their death. What if that is what happens when a “dark one” dies by dagger, their spirit is still controlled by the dagger and stored in an amulet. So Rumpel used his dagger to summon one to mark Regina.
I’m not really sure where this goes except that I think PP and Rumpel may be evenly matched, and that there may be a more powerful “one dagger” out there that would control both PP and Rumpel, that the purpose of these daggers was to create an evil ruler over different magical realms for some super-evil-overlord we have yet to meet.
They can’t use characters from LOTR of course, but it is such a landmark in modern fantasy, it is hard to avoid nods even though it is not a Disney property.
For the next season though, I think we will learn of a connection between the ripped shadows, the wraiths and the daggers, and previous dark ones.
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Nine Nazgul (Ringwraiths) in LOTR. And they did already nod to the idea of Wraiths with the Wraith in Broken.
I wouldn’t be surprised if PP’s dagger will tie into the larger story A and E want to tell. It could be that those daggers cancel each other out, so when Rumple is close proximity to PP, his magic no longer works, and vice versa which could be one of the reasons Felix is sent to “greet” Rumple and not PP–apart from it’s TV and you save the bad guy for the last second.
As far as your question are previous Dark Ones turned into Wratihs…interesting. There seemed to only be one though in Broken, because he could only be in one place and can only deal with one soul at a time whereas multiple Wraiths would indicate that many souls could be marked and hunted."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We have only met one previous dark one too though, maybe he can only summon the spirit of the one he himself killed?
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You weren’t completely off with guessing 7, KFC. The Dwarves got 7, Men got 9, Elves had 3, (Men were the only ones who became Wraiths though).
What if that is what happens when a “dark one” dies by dagger, their spirit is still controlled by the dagger and stored in an amulet. So Rumpel used his dagger to summon one to mark Regina.
I re-watched Broken the other day and did wonder if there was an actual reason for him raising the dagger and dramatically saying, “The Dark One summons thee,” before stabbing the ground. Apart from it just looking dramatic.
We don’t know how many Wraiths there are, or how many other Dark Ones there have been. I think K&H have said that Zoso wasn’t the first though?
We have only met one previous dark one too though, maybe he can only summon the spirit of the one he himself killed?
I like that idea!
It is kind of curious how we started the season with a flying shadow and ended the season with one as well. Maybe…if Wraiths are previous Dark Ones, Shadows are previous Pans? And Rumple and Peter are each the current holders of the daggers that control the dark magic in each of their lands? So they have the ability to control the Shadow/Wraith of the one who came before them?
I like the idea that Pan and Rumpel cancel each other’s magic out, RG.
Atlantica, I think that is a good explanation. I was thinking the spirit was stored in a medallion, that is why only one target and wraith at a time, but having it in the knife works too, so it was just the marking.
And Phee, the idea that the shadows and wraith are previous pans and dark ones is great!
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Remember Rumple’s ring that went dark when he was dying. A&E said that we would be seeing this again. I think it was more on the lines of can’t say when asked why it did go dark. Maybe this has something to do with the Wraith, PP, dagger and the dark one curse.
We have only met one previous dark one too though, maybe he can only summon the spirit of the one he himself killed?
I like this as a fantasy story element, but I’m not sure it fits OUAT. Zoso was so desperate to escape his curse that I can’t see him choosing to be a slave to his successor. Of course, he might not have known about this clause in the contract.
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I like this as a fantasy story element, but I’m not sure it fits OUAT. Zoso was so desperate to escape his curse that I can’t see him choosing to be a slave to his successor. Of course, he might not have known about this clause in the contract.
Maybe that’s why Wraiths are so mean and angry, because they thought they were gonna be set free, but nope, just more of the same. Zoso wasn’t big on full disclosure when he was talking Rumple into stabbing him, so it’d be some nice karma if Zoso had a surprise in store for himself, too.
I like this as a fantasy story element, but I’m not sure it fits OUAT. Zoso was so desperate to escape his curse that I can’t see him choosing to be a slave to his successor. Of course, he might not have known about this clause in the contrac
Or like Rumple, Zoso made a deal he didn’t understand. Would be ironic.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"As they say, “All Magic Comes At A Price”. I like the idea of the Dark Ones still being “slaves to the dagger” after they die as Wraiths. In life it controlled them and so it shall even after…… How depressing. But perhaps that is the price of the Dark One’s powerful magic.
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