Are you throwing things at the tv?

[hjbau]

They have been spending the whole season on Emma’s journey to belief. It did not seem sudden to me at all. It felt like pay off after all we have seen. I think Emma earned her belief in a good way. Epic.

[arjay369]

Finally, someone else who feels the way I do. Everything did seem rushed which is why I said somewhere here that at least another episode was needed for a better exploration of what was covered. It was all just too easily done.

[Snickerdoodle]

Aw weedith, I’m so sorry you felt that way 🙁

I agree that I would have loved another hour of the show, but I was thankful for the hour and guess I kind of filled in the blanks myself. I keep thinking they should charge more for the commercials and do less of them, LOL!

@weedith wrote:

Or did holding the book, which she has held before, give her the flashbacks to things she has never seen and cause her to believe?

That is what I thought had happened, that in that moment of realizing there was magic and taking hold of the book she saw what was true, Henry even narrated, LOL! Then when Regina walked in she grabbed her because she needed to confirm her discovery. And Regina confirmed it.

@weedith wrote:

This has been a big buildup and mystery as to how Regina was going to play the trump card and SHE DIDN’T EVEN PLAY IT!!!

If there was any buildup regarding Regina playing Belle on Gold, it wasn’t by the writers of the show. The only thing they ever said was heaven help us when Gold/Rumpel finds out. I think it was built up by the fans of the show through theories that Regina would save Belle to use against Gold. I can see how that might have been a disappointment, but at the same time I loved the twist. Regina kept telling Jefferson he didn’t have it in him to do anything to her, but he definitely knew someone who does. What a great set up. I mean, come on, it is seldom Mr. Gold doesn’t know what’s going on or gets used. I guess I assumed Jefferson took her out another way from the basement and sent her on her way.

I will say however, I have questioned how Jefferson knew about Belle, how he knew the keypad code, why the nurse at the desk didn’t question his presence in the basement? That was all very strange.

@weedith wrote:

And Mr. Gold who was so worried that Bae would still be angry with him, didn’t even occur to him that Belle might still be angry? And why wasn’t she angry? Or at least a little bit hesitant? Or at least questioning as to whether this well-dressed gentleman was her lost grey-skinned love?

Well, I guess for me I wasn’t as enamored with Belle and Rumpel, not that I don’t like the idea, but it just hasn’t been a main priority for me. If they had held off having her find Mr. Gold/ Rumpel until next season I would have been okay. Just her getting out of the mental ward gave me hope for their reunion, I never dreamed it would be like it was. So, as a result of not expecting it, I loved it. I guess I assumed he had regretted for so long what he had done to her in FTL that he was glad to be able to say “I love you too” to her, to admit it. I think she is his true love or the kiss would not have begun to work as it did in Skin Deep. And so is it that unusual that is the first thing Belle remembers of him? I think once the “fog” clears in her memories there will be a lot more to come. She is going to realize he is still under magics power and we will see what happens to Rumpel that may ruin this quaint reunion they set up. Nothing can be that easy.

I keep thinking about how he protected Bae when he had the Dark magic and wonder how that will be any different in his protection of Belle. Before long we may be right be where we started where Rumpel/Gold is concerned and Belle will be getting another magic bean from the BF 🙄

I hope as you watch it again it will grow on you and you will like it better. I’m sure you will. 😀

[fairygodmother]

I wasn’t throwing things at the tv, but I thought Belle forgave Rumple awfully fast. I’ll be curious to see what’s in store for them.

I loved the finale, especially because for every question it answered, it asked at least one more!

[killianhookfan]

@weedith wrote:

I feel like the Griswalds European vacation

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“Look kids. Big Ben. Parliament.”

😆

I agree that they stuffed a TON into one episode, especially since they had to have known they were being renewed for a second season far before they filmed it based on the numbers for the show every week.

I was just so happy to finally see Rumple and Belle together that I honestly didn’t care whether it made sense or not. But once it was established that Belle didn’t remember who she was I wasn’t concerned about her being mad at Rumple for being locked up. None of the other characters had any realization that they had been suspended in time for 28 years so Belle wouldn’t have either. And I have always assumed that in FTL Belle figured out that it was Regina who tricked her so she didn’t blame Rumple for being locked away in FTL, so once she woke up she wouldn’t have had any reason to be mad at Rumple for being locked up in SB either.

After I watched the episode a second time (umm, I’ve watched it a third time now, too), I actually wondered if the episode was SUPPOSED to feel rushed because things DID happen very quickly once Emma believed vs. how time stood still for 28 years. And Rumple had FOREVER to plan for this moment and was putting everything into motion as planned when, SURPRISE, girlfriend suddenly shows up. So we get a nice, shocked, emotional moment – but because he had basically planned FOREVER for THIS ONE moment, he can’t stop what he is doing – he HAS to keep going to make sure his plan works.

Someone else made a point somewhere that I agree with that Regina isn’t the only one in town who is in danger without magic. Rumple is actually more vulnerable than Regina because he has his limp. He has a lot of people in SB who do not like him and he can’t get away from them without magic/power. Besides needing magic to find Bae I think needing magic is also a basic safety issue for him now. Because he suddenly has Belle that he also needs to protect he has even more reason to have to act quickly to get his magic/power back.

[malchore]

I noticed that most of the men in this thread (including me now) were disappointed with this episode. We felt it was rushed and much of it just plain out of character with what we saw all season long. And a lot of the women viewers loved it. I’m not trying to be intentionally sexist, just pointing out an observation.

I happen to be fascinated with gender dynamics so maybe I’m more attuned to it. Or maybe I’m seeing things. ❓

@weedith wrote:

I feel like the Griswalds European vacation

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“Look kids. Big Ben. Parliament.”

😆 😆

That’s comedy gold right there Weedith.

[khaleesi]

@weedith wrote:

I don’t want to be labeled a hater, and I held off commenting right away, but I was disappointed with the finale. It has been mentioned a few places, it all seemed REALLY rushed. It would have been a fine finale if the show had been cancelled and they wanted to wrap up loose ends before they were done. But there is every reason to believe they have at least another season to work with. Specific issues:

Emma’s conversion was so sudden as to be laughable. I get that she was traumatized by Henry’s collapse, but I’m thinking I would be airlifting the kid to Mass. General for neurological testing before going with the diagnosis of CURSE. No MRI? No blood tests? Not even a cursory exam of the thing he ate immediately before collapsing? Instead, Emma goes right from, “Y’all are crazy with this curse thing,” to, “Sure, I’ll take a sword and go by myself down a loooooong elevator shaft and fight a dragon (in my high heels) in order to get a golden egg out of her middle because there is a bottle of true love in the egg which will heal my son from his mysterious ailment.” Or did holding the book, which she has held before, give her the flashbacks to things she has never seen and cause her to believe?

Rumple and Belle. This has been a big buildup and mystery as to how Regina was going to play the trump card and SHE DIDN’T EVEN PLAY IT!!! Jefferson decided to send Belle to Gold instead of taking her because…….? Just hoped she would figure out how to find her way around Storybrooke without being seen and without running into Regina, whose son is in the same hospital.

And Mr. Gold who was so worried that Bae would still be angry with him, didn’t even occur to him that Belle might still be angry? And why wasn’t she angry? Or at least a little bit hesitant? Or at least questioning as to whether this well-dressed gentleman was her lost grey-skinned love? I was looking forward to that reunion and, other than some nice acting by Carlyle, it just seemed to get passed by in the whirlwind of plot developments of the last 15 minutes of the show.

I feel like the Griswalds European vacation

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“Look kids. Big Ben. Parliament.”

I need to watch again and hopefully it will grow on me. Right now, I’m a bit let down.

Totally agree. Too rush for everything. When Belle asked Rumple to wait, I don’t have time to prepare myself and she jumped right to the “I love you” part!! And for Rumple’s choice of power, I won’t be sorry if I saw Belle break up with him in Season 2. He had it coming. The only thing I will say to him is “Told you so”. You can’t keep doing the same thing and expecting different outcomes. That’s insane!!!!

Although it’s a satisfying ending for Belle (comparing to her previous situation), every scenario I played for Belle and Rumpelstiltskin ends badly in Season 2. 🙁 I hate seeing the writer torture Belle. I will be heart broken.

Why can’t someone like good guys like Archie? There are already too many nasty guys in reality. After seeing what Mr. Gold has done/chose, I will be an official Archie fan from now on. Looking forward to his love story in Season 2.

[khaleesi]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

@weedith wrote:

I feel like the Griswalds European vacation

---

“Look kids. Big Ben. Parliament.”

😆

I agree that they stuffed a TON into one episode, especially since they had to have known they were being renewed for a second season far before they filmed it based on the numbers for the show every week.

I was just so happy to finally see Rumple and Belle together that I honestly didn’t care whether it made sense or not. But once it was established that Belle didn’t remember who she was I wasn’t concerned about her being mad at Rumple for being locked up. None of the other characters had any realization that they had been suspended in time for 28 years so Belle wouldn’t have either. And I have always assumed that in FTL Belle figured out that it was Regina who tricked her so she didn’t blame Rumple for being locked away in FTL, so once she woke up she wouldn’t have had any reason to be mad at Rumple for being locked up in SB either.

After I watched the episode a second time (umm, I’ve watched it a third time now, too), I actually wondered if the episode was SUPPOSED to feel rushed because things DID happen very quickly once Emma believed vs. how time stood still for 28 years. And Rumple had FOREVER to plan for this moment and was putting everything into motion as planned when, SURPRISE, girlfriend suddenly shows up. So we get a nice, shocked, emotional moment – but because he had basically planned FOREVER for THIS ONE moment, he can’t stop what he is doing – he HAS to keep going to make sure his plan works.

Someone else made a point somewhere that I agree with that Regina isn’t the only one in town who is in danger without magic. Rumple is actually more vulnerable than Regina because he has his limp. He has a lot of people in SB who do not like him and he can’t get away from them without magic/power. Besides needing magic to find Bae I think needing magic is also a basic safety issue for him now. Because he suddenly has Belle that he also needs to protect he has even more reason to have to act quickly to get his magic/power back.

I saw a lot of people rationalize Rumple’s behavior. I understand why he has to do what he has to do. I’m just so disappointed that he didn’t learn anything after all these years. And I know he gonna screw everything up. And I felt so sad.

[khaleesi]

After I watched the episode a second time (umm, I’ve watched it a third time now, too), I actually wondered if the episode was SUPPOSED to feel rushed because things DID happen very quickly once Emma believed vs. how time stood still for 28 years.

Now I tended to believe they deliberately rush it so they could do it twisted and slow in Season 2. Just to buy them some time.

[hjbau]

I don’t understand why this seems rushed? I really feel like the entire season was leading to Emma believing. Like 24 hours ago in timeline August was yelling at her in the forest that it was all real and she needed to believe and she was the savior and then Emma tried to take Henry and then she decided to leave for him and Henry took the last ditch effort to show her it was real and that was two episodes ago. It seems like all of it was leading to this moment and i think it was just right.

I do think that the Rumpel/Belle stuff seemed rushed, but honestly i think everything about their supposed “romance” has seemed unrealistic.

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