Bae as Henry’s father is unacceptable – show is dead to me

[warhorse78]

I hate to say it, while the show isn’t dead to me yet, I fear if August really doesn't come back after episode 18 it probably will be. I despise the idea of Rumpel being related to Henry in any way whatsoever, and I despised the thought of Henry’s father being from FTL. I was hoping he would be a unique fabric of the story, half FTL and half from this world.

Why do I get feeling though, that the yellow bug had something to do with this? Maybe it’s an enchanted version of Herbie.

[jolly roger]

I don’t have a problem with anything on this show. I think that they have given a lot of thought with everything that they have done and the outcome is always good and meets my expectations. If I do have a small problem with something, I just think that there’s nothing that I can do about it – I don’t run the show, and that doesn’t mean that the whole show is bad just because of a little thing.
Baelfire being Henrys’ father – I had expected it since the start of this season. But that doesn’t mean that I’m not happy about it. I love how they went with this because now that Baelfire is Henrys’ father, they can do so much with it. I always love a bit of drama in a show; makes it interesting 🙂

[playarita]

@Andreth Stark wrote:

However, when coming to that sort of story, you loose the feeling of “I want to be there. I want that to be real and,hey! for all i know it could be real! Why not? everything makes sense, everything could happen!”, since they invite more to watch them from a contemplative perspective, to enjoy the view more than to be an active part of them.

I can enjoy the first, rounded sort of stories, of course, as i can enjoy and admire a picture by Andrea del Sarto. But if i have to choose, i prefer the stories that make me being sort of absorbed in them.

But that means that it’s what you bring to the table as much as it is the storytellers. FTL has shown time and time again that it operates in a world with its own rules, society, natural laws etc. So why not the judge story from that perspective? I understand we come from different perspectives or ideologies but I don’t see why our own perspectives means we can’t immerse ourselves. If anything OUAT has done a bang up job in explaining how things are connected and why and in a way that is logical in both worlds (though usually a bit more in FTL than our own) but they have been good on revealing it as we go along.

[MatthewPaul]

Just for clarification, the creators confirmed on the latest official podcast that they had planned Baelfire to be Henry’s father back in Season 1. However, since so many of us figured it out so long ago, they had debated about changing Henry’s father to someone else. They decided to stick with their original plan, though, because the scenario was too ideal to alter.

[mich7]

The fact that they would debate whether or not to change their game plan is what concerns me more than anything…hate it when fans and fan reactions drive the story rather than what the writers originally planned…however I applaud them for sticking with their game plan….hope they continue to do so.

[MatthewPaul]

@Mich7 wrote:

The fact that they would debate whether or not to change their game plan is what concerns me more than anything…hate it when fans and fan reactions drive the story rather than what the writers originally planned…however I applaud them for sticking with their game plan….hope they continue to do so.

Same here, and just wanted to post that to clarify that Bae being Henry’s father was not the result of fan theorists. However, I have a feeling that if the Baelfire is Peter Pan theory becomes true, that could have been an idea resulting from fan influence, or at least something not thought of until Season 2.

[antbee]

@ItachiIshtar wrote:

@Mich7 wrote:

The fact that they would debate whether or not to change their game plan is what concerns me more than anything…hate it when fans and fan reactions drive the story rather than what the writers originally planned…however I applaud them for sticking with their game plan….hope they continue to do so.

Same here, and just wanted to post that to clarify that Bae being Henry’s father was not the result of fan theorists.

Yes, I’m not happy that they were debating whether or not to alter their original story because fans had already guessed it. I understand to some degree that writers have to keep fans happy like if the fas really hate a character or a story, then sometimes the writers have to write out that character sooner then expected or alter where the story was going. However, I find that most of the time that writers should stick to their original plans and not be swayed too much by fans because it ends up being a mess where no one is happy.

I think one of the reasons daytime soap operas died was because they relied too much on fan feedback, so while they would break up a “super couple”, it was always almost temporarily because the writers were too afraid of angering fans. Likewise with killing off character that never stayed dead, because fans knew that he/she would likely be back if his/her career outside of the soap didn’t go well or if there was enough fan support for bringing that character back to life. At first, it’s not too bad, but then after awhile it just confirmed that daytime soap operas are dumb to people who’ve never watched soap operas and/or hated soap operas perceived them to be. Not saying that before they got into that kind of pattern where the status quo was maintained above all else that soap operas couldn’t have ridiculous story lines, but they also could be groundbreaking tackling serious issues like abortion, racism, etc.

Anyhow, when soap operas started relying more on fan feedback to drive future story lines, ironically I think it lead to more people not getting what they wanted because fans of “super couples” would get mad that the writers resorted to adding drama by always wanting to break up those couples usually with love triangles, and those that weren’t fans of those couplings would get mad that the other party would usually end up looking like the bad person and knew that it was futile to want to cheer for that person and the other half of the super couple to get together.

Or in the case of people coming back from the dead taken to a real extreme, when Days of Our Lives had a serial killer that wiped out a lot of its cast including several beloved veterans, fans were so angry that the show then did a story line where it turned out no one had actually died, they were just all on a secret island. So while fans got their beloved veterans back, the whole story line from beginning to end was just one big fail and no one was happy about the new lows the show had reached.

However, I have a feeling that if the Baelfire is Peter Pan theory becomes true, that could have been an idea resulting from fan influence, or at least something not thought of until Season 2.

It's possible, but given how badly they really wanted to get the rights for “Peter Pan”, and how very early on in the first season, K&H talked about how the identity of Henry's father probably wouldn't be revealed for several seasons, I think that they always wanted to make Nealfire into Peter Pan but weren't sure if and when they could get the rights.

I think they may have had a contingency plan in place in case they couldn't have got the rights. However, since they did get the rights after the first season during the writing of the second season, I believe that they may have moved up the date of the big Nealfire reveal.

Of course, when we see Baelfire as a young boy in the first season, he seemed too serious to me to be Peter Pan, but it wouldn't have made sense at that time given the issues that he had to deal with for him to have that kind of personality. I don't really see Neal being too much like Peter Pan given what we've seen except he can be immature and arrogant at times, but I can believe that over the course of several hundred years that his personality could change to be more Peter Pan like. Plus, I guess I should remind myself that he won't be exactly like the Peter Pan that most people know.

It's funny because I really hated the idea last summer even though I did think it was a possibility that they might go that route, but now after “Manhattan”, I actually really like the idea because I want to see MRJ's version of Peter Pan. He wowed me before with his talent on OUaT and elsewhere, but I was really wowed by him after “Manhattan”. As long as they don't try to make him too immature but have him still be full of swagger at times, I think I'll really enjoy him as Peter Pan.

[mich7]

@AntBee wrote:

Or in the case of people coming back from the dead taken to a real extreme, when Days of Our Lives had a serial killer that wiped out a lot of its cast including several beloved veterans, fans were so angry that the show then did a story line where it turned out no one had actually died, they were just all on a secret island. So while fans got their beloved veterans back, the whole story line from beginning to end was just one big fail and no one was happy about the new lows the show had reached.

lol I watched Days off and on way back when but haven’t seen it in years…kinda glad I missed this plot…I think I would have been pulling my hair out.

[nod]

Coming from a storyteller, I don’t feel like Neal being Bae is irrational storytelling at all. In fact, it ties into the mythology of the show perfectly. Everything else has been the product of destiny, after all. Regina adopting Henry, Regina casting the curse, Emma having Henry, Snow meeting Charming, right down to Rumple crippling himself. Yes, perhaps this means that they are referring to some higher power that is pulling the strings. Maybe it’s the Blue Fairy or the Fates! There are a thousand ways to play the destiny storyline! The greatest storytellers have used the concept of “destiny” to write the greatest stories ever written. Simply because they don’t tell you all the facts at the beginning doesn’t mean it has no “logical” explanation.

I think that you might be thinking along the lines that they’re trying to explain away the unlikely meeting of Emma and Neal a la soap opera. I can see where you’re coming from there, and if they don’t give us any more explanation of the situation, then I’ll probably jump ship with you. However, this show has a reputation for throwing the unlikely out at the beginning and slowly explaining it as it goes along.

(I would also love to address your opinion of Fantasy versus reality, but I think that’s a topic for an off-topic forum. =D)

[hcadia]

I really love the show, and really enjoy every episodes! It’s unique and fun, and to be honest it’s very fun to come back to this forum after an episode has aired and discuss about almost everything…! I loved sitting and watching Charmed before, but nowadays… there aren’t many good Tv shows…. most of them are almost the same…. so I’m very glad that Once Upon A Time is different and it’s definitely the best one 😀 Hope it never ends!

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