Bae IN New York?!

[lilred]

Still like the idea of Bae being Jack too, AntBee. Can’t help it!
I was kind of shocked that he wasn’t in Boston aka Beantown (since I really think this is Bae we’re dealing with), but didn’t catch the whole NY Giants thing! 😀
Besides, he could have still landed in the Boston area and migrated to New York as an adult.

[TheGoldenKey]

Isn’t Gorge Garcia just reporting to set for his costume changes now? Seems to me, that his appearance in OUAT coincides with the time that we find out who Henry’s father is and possibly what happened to Bae. I’m still hoping that he turns out to be Peter, but there are many things pointing to Jack.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[antbee]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Isn’t Gorge Garcia just reporting to set for his costume changes now? Seems to me, that his appearance in OUAT coincides with the time that we find out who Henry’s father is and possibly what happened to Bae. I’m still hoping that he turns out to be Peter, but there are many things pointing to Jack.

Good point. Even if Bae isn’t Jack or the Jack, it seems like he’s definitely being linked to that story through the magic beans, NYC Giants (maybe), and we’ll most likely find out that Mysterious Man is the baby daddy in the Giant episode even if they don’t reveal his identity yet.

Oh that reminds me, I was thinking of those openings that we got from Comic Con. Wasn’t one of the new openings that hasn’t been used one of Emma’s VW Beetle, and people like me thought it had to do with her Beetle being Herbie? If they really use those openings this season, I think that’s probably the one for episode 6, and then the one with the giant beanstalk will be episode 9, where we finally get the backstory on Mysterious Man.

[faux pax]

I keep going back and forth on this. I sort of want him to be just Bae because Emma is only Emma. If he has to be someone else, I’d rather he be Jack because he was connected to the magic beans, and he wouldn’t be the traditional Jack that we know. More importantly and I’m not sure I’m going to explain this right, but he’d still be Bae but known as Jack here whereas I think if he was Peter, he’d be Peter more than Bae.

I couldn’t agree with you more. Going back to the Bae as Henry’s daddy theory (as I almost always do 😆 ) I think it would have a nice bit of symmetry if that little nuclear family were the only ones who were JUST themselves. There are so many theories about who Bae could be AS WELL as being Bae: Jack, Hook, Whale ( 😕 ), the white rabbit, Peter Pan, and the list goes on, getting more and more unlikely.

Here’s my guess, He is actually Oliver from Oliver Twist…I mean they are both (practically) orphans. It’s a perfect fit! Not really, I’m just messing with you guys.

I like that you pointed out that, even if there is a bit of an age difference between Bae and Emma, it wouldn’t be unlike Rumple and Belle’s situation. I mean that seems to be the main thing that is creeping people out about the possibility of Swanfire.

But that’s not necessarily the case at all. I don’t think Rumple would design the curse if there was no chance for him to come into this world centuries after Bae would be dead. I think he made it so that the curse brought people here around the same time as Bae would have come through the portal (maybe not EXACTLY the same time, but i’m thinking within a few years) and, I know i’m probably in the minority with this one, i would really feel cheated if it turns out he was in a world with magic. I mean after all the kids been through he deserves that much at least…

On a side note has any one else seen Bae’s letter on Untold Stories…. My heart….it has exploded.

[Josephine]

I can see Bae being Jack, too. That makes sense, also. See! They’re trying to confuse us and give us all headaches.

It would be funny if Bae was just Bae, no other character, just an orphan that August meets and they get drunk one night and August starts blabbing all this nonsense about the Enchanted Forest, or he could just be friends with August and read one of August’s stories, since he did say he was a writer, and recognize something from his stories.

I know I’ve read many places that Eddie and Adam shot down the theory that August wrote the book, but do we know this for certain? What interview was this? The only other one who could have written it so far that we know is The Blue Fairy. Even Bae wasn’t around for any of those stories so I don’t think he wrote it.

But…but…if the Blue Fairy is working for good and set up the book and Henry’s adoption and is in touch with Bae, then she also knows that Henry is Bae’s and is keeping that from him. Urgh. Sorry..divergent thoughts. Darn Blue Fairy. I have a feeling when the series ends we’ll still be debating whether she was good or evil.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[TheGoldenKey]

Ok, this is very hard for me to say (gulp) because I’ve been soooooo Bae=Peter Pan. But wouldn’t it be something if Bae turned out to be Captain Hook? I could get behind that theory!!

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[nonnie]

I know I’ve read many places that Eddie and Adam shot down the theory that August wrote the book, but do we know this for certain? What interview was this? The only other one who could have written it so far that we know is The Blue Fairy. Even Bae wasn’t around for any of those stories so I don’t think he wrote it.

Yeah but you can not trust the WRITERS/ PRODUCERS… they said they they COULD NOT DO PETER PAN / CAPTAIN HOOK but guess who is coming???? I think that they deny everything if we get too close to guessing…

Nonnie

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[gypsy]

Yeah, KalliopeKisees is right. There are so many really great theories on all the characters! So well thought out. I know TheGoldenKey and I have looked onto the Frankenstein theory from so many aspects, so, if that’s the Frankie theory you’re referring to, imparticular, thanks 🙂 I know a few other ppl have also made some great connections to the Frankie theory as well. I like the Dr Whale/Merlin theory, too. That fits nicely into the storyline. Forgive me for not mentioning names, as there are so many different ppl with so many great ideas, I can’t keep track of them all 🙂

[fairy dust]

I haven’t had time to gel all of my thoughts and observations together so I’m just going to throw them down and see where they land. If I had to pick a storybook character that some of the items in the Mystery Man’s apartment point to it would be the Wizard of Oz. If I had to pick a person the items point to it would be Baelfire.

ITEMS IN THE APARTMENT
1. As it has already been pointed out, the red hand on the wall is an Aesthetic Apparatus poster. This particular poster was created for the Communication Arts Magazine May 2008 issue. Here is a description of the Magazine and also what comes with a subscription:

Communication Arts is the largest international trade journal of visual communications. Founded in 1959 by Richard Coyne and Robert Blanchard, the magazine’s coverage includes graphic design, advertising, photography, illustration and interactive media. The magazine continues to be edited and published under the guidance of Coyne’s wife Jean and their son Patrick Coyne. Currently, Communication Arts (CA) publishes six issues a year and hosts six creative competitions in graphic design, advertising, photography, illustration, typography and interactive media and two Web sites, commarts.com and creativehotlist.com.

A one year subscription to Communication Arts magazine consists of six issues including the Design, Advertising, Illustration, Photography, Interactive, and Typography annuals.

link to contents of magazine http://www.commerce.commarts.com/shop/detail.asp?prod=ISS200805
link to magazine site (scroll down to find cover) – http://blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com/
link to cover of magazine – http://blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com/?attachment_id=636
link to resource for cover of magazine (actual catalog photo of the glove used ) http://blaawg.aestheticapparatus.com/?attachment_id=637

Red Hand with eye is called a Hamsa and is used to ward off the evil eye. Don’t know if they had this in mind but thought it was interesting. Red Hand is also associated with Irish.

thoughts: Glove appears on a catalog page advertising asbestos gloves. Asbestos gloves can withstand fire – possible nod to Baelfire. Communication Arts Theme fits many of the items that are found in the apartment, photo, recording, microphone etc.

2. John Guliak – 7 Stories & 13 Songs album hanging by window – picture of a heart surrounded by fire – lots of possibilities including nod to Baelfire.

3. I’ve been trying to figure out what the sign was peeking out of the corner and I found it on TVLine – “Just after the Mysterious Man arrives home, the camera angle changes to peer down at the bookcase with the radios. Sticking out from behind it is a sign (inset, letter F) bearing the logo for the progressive punk rock band NoMeansNo — specifically, the logo used on the album The Day Everything Became Isolated and Destroyed. I’m just spit-balling here, but if you wish to risk being spoiled, check out the fourth track.” http://tvline.com/2012/09/30/once-upon-a-time-season-2-who-is-nyc-mystery-man/ And yes, the fourth track, Beauty and the Beast sure does point to Baelfire, especially when we remember that his father refers to him as his beautiful boy.

Here is the title track: The Day Everything Became Nothing

The day everything became nothing, I was standing
underneath a streetlight, wishing I had a
cigarette. I can’t recall anything unusual about
it. If there was something in the air, if the
skies had clouded over, I wasn’t aware, I was too
bored to care. No thunder roared. No lightning
cracked. No missiles rained from the sky. This was
no sneak attack. There was just suddenly this
awful lack. Things had changed, that’s for sure.
The day everything became nothing, you couldn’t
put your finger on what had gone wrong. The alleys
were still dirty; the garbage still smelled; there
was no panic in the streets; just a lot of
grief–in people’s faces, in their eyes–a mixture
of horror and total surprise. This was no
apocalypse. No one heard a voice from the sky,
there were no miracles at the 7-Eleven, no one
screamed, no one even asked why. It was just like
everything had somehow, quietly died. So let it
die! I can’t recall much of what happened next. I
was on my way to visit this woman I knew. All we
had in common was good sex, and now I couldn’t
even remember her address. A group of us, just
strangers, got together and we formed a committee
to discuss the problem. We talked about things
like assured mutual destruction and emotional
responsibility. I couldn’t remember my name, so I
called myself Bob. It’s weird being a Bob, but
I’ll get used to it. I have to.

4. Many OUAT sites have the Mysterious Man living on Grand Street across from Piemonte Ravioli company. His apartment is across from Piemonte but not the storefront on Grand Street, rather the Piemonte storefront on Mulberry St. He lives in an apartment building that is on Mulberry St, in the area known as Little Italy. I won’t take time to list all the history of Mulberry St. but it is ALOT. Mulberry St. has a long history that includes the mafia. Farther down Mulberry was the notorious Five Points area.

5. Billy Joel sings a song, “Big Man on Mulberry Street” here are the lyrics: Sure sounds like it could be talking about Baelfire.

Why can’t I lay low
Why can’t I say what I mean
Why don’t I stay home
And get myself into some boring routine

Why can’t I calm down
Why is it always a fight
I can’t get unwound
Why do I throw myself into the night

I’m on the outside
I don’t fit into the groove
Now I ain’t a bad guy
So tell me what am I trying to prove

Why can’t I cool out
Why don’t I button my lip
Why do I lash out
Why is it I always shoot from the hip
I cruise from Houston to canal street
A misfit and a rebel
I see the winds talking to themselves
And I can understand
Why is it everytime I go out
I always seem to get in trouble
I guess I made an impression on somebody
North of Hester and south of Grand

And so in my small way
I’m a big man on Mulberry street
I don’t mean all day
Only at night when I’m light on my feet

What else have I got
That I’d be trying to hide
Maybe a blind spot
I haven’t seen from the sensitive side

But you know in my own heart
I’m a big man on Mulberry street
I play the whole part
I leave a big tip with every receipt

I’m so romantic
I’m such a passionate man
Sometimes I panic
What if nobody finds out who I am

6. All the radios, and desk microphones, and records…etc. When I took a look at the route that MM walks it is almost certain that he works on the West Side. I saw something interesting up on the West Side (89th st) of Central Park. It is called The Radio Foundation. http://www.radioart.org/ Wonder if that is where our MM works?

I’ll let you read up on it but these guys are famous and have that sort of artsy history that makes for great stories. One of the things this group put out was Firesign Theater. And one of their albums was titled, “In the Next World, You’re on Your Own.” It is a hodgpodge of the bizzare but the title sure is interesting. Again…we run into that word, “fire” a possible nod to Baelfire.

Also check out Peter Bergman’s Radio Free Oz – http://www.radiofreeoz.com/ possible nod to the Baelfire going to Oz theory

7. MM drops his phone/? down the “fire escape“. Again…that word fire keeps creeping up. Also, the Wizard of Oz was the first to suggest a portable phone. Again…another possible nod to the land of Oz???

8. The logo on the horse at the beginning of the MM scene is called a Horse Brass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_brass There are many myths about it possibly warding off evil.

9. We see MM crossing the street at E. 47th and Madison Ave. (interesting link to history of 47th st – http://www.nysonglines.com/47st.htm ) An interesting path to take to get to the 5th Ave Station. When he is walking he looks over his shoulder a lot….looks worried and looks tired. There is an interesting statue at the very end of E 47th Street.

The Statue is called, “Good Defeats Evil” It is St. George, on a horse slaying the dragon.
http://www.tsereteli.ru/files/objects/658/658.jpg
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[antbee]

Oh my god, fairy dust! You are so amazing! I can’t believe all of the research that you did. Thank you.

2. John Guliak – 7 Stories & 13 Songs album hanging by window – picture of a heart surrounded by fire – lots of possibilities including nod to Baelfire.

I can’t believe I didn’t catch this. I even looked up the album to see what was on it, but I think it was chosen more for the album cover and the fact that Mysterious Man is into indie music rather than to the songs pointing out clues now.

1. 7 Stories and 13 Songs
2. Feathers for a Fool
3. High
4. The Little Ease
5. Dive
6. Windigo
7. Rudy Falling
8. Easy to Fail
9. Big Orange Root
10. Shaky Nancy
11. Great Western
12. Oka/Banff
13. Wreck on the Highway

Here is the title track: The Day Everything Became Nothing

Thanks. The song fits even more now. I really didn’t want to look at it though because I looked up the lyrics to the number 4 song and even listened to it, and that was enough of NoMeanNo for me. I think I would have liked them when I was younger, but now it’s almost like just noise to me. (Hey you kids! Get off of my lawn!) 😀

4. Many OUAT sites have the Mysterious Man living on Grand Street across from Piemonte Ravioli company. His apartment is across from Piemonte but not the storefront on Grand Street, rather the Piemonte storefront on Mulberry St. He lives in an apartment building that is on Mulberry St, in the area known as Little Italy. I won’t take time to list all the history of Mulberry St. but it is ALOT. Mulberry St. has a long history that includes the mafia. Farther down Mulberry was the notorious Five Points area.

Thank you! I actually Googled to get more clues about Grand Street by using the address for the Piemonte Ravioli Company on Grand Street, but it didn’t look like the one from OUaT. I didn’t know that they had a storefront on Mulberry Street, but yes, that is the location that the show used.

The Mulberry Street reference could also be a nod to Dr. Seuss’ And To Think I Saw It on Mulberry Street, since he’s a famous author of children’s books.

6. All the radios, and desk microphones, and records…etc. When I took a look at the route that MM walks it is almost certain that he works on the West Side. I saw something interesting up on the West Side (89th st) of Central Park. It is called The Radio Foundation. http://www.radioart.org/ Wonder if that is where our MM works?

I’ll let you read up on it but these guys are famous and have that sort of artsy history that makes for great stories. One of the things this group put out was Firesign Theater. And one of their albums was titled, “In the Next World, You’re on Your Own.” It is a hodgpodge of the bizzare but the title sure is interesting. Again…we run into that word, “fire” a possible nod to Baelfire.

Yes, I saw that TVLine article mentioned he most likely worked on the West Side, but I thought it would be funny although probably too meta if they had him working for ABC. The Firesign Theater name definitely fits him better. Although he could still be a thief of some kind based on the plot synopsis for episode 6.

8. The logo on the horse at the beginning of the MM scene is called a Horse Brass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_brass There are many myths about it possibly warding off evil.

So we have the Dream Catcher, the Horse Brass, and the Hamsa, so Mysterious Man is being connected with things that ward off evil, which means he might have some kind of power(s) that allow him to do so.

The Statue is called, “Good Defeats Evil” It is St. George, on a horse slaying the dragon.

Yes, the St. George and the Dragon story is definitely a very popular type of story that we’ll most likely see happen on the show.

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