Bae IN New York?!

[fairy dust]

Thanks so much to you AntBee! Your post has great information…we will just put our heads together and if we can put the puzzle pieces together. As many times as I looked at that clip…I NEVER made the connection about his bedspread and Henry’s. That was a brilliant observation!

It does seem that MM (if he is Baelfire) is going to be a lot like Emma…both thrust into a world without parents…and probably both have been on both sides of the law. I did wonder if his strange route home was to keep someone from following him or knowing where he lived…or he could have taken a detour to see something. Then there is the HUGE mafia connection with Mulberry street. That right there could indicate that he might have changed a little since he fell into that green portal…it will be interesting to see where the writers take it and how much they tie into this.

And I keep looking at those microphones…the only person I can think of that used a microphone was the Wizard of Oz. I read the books years ago and can’t remember much about them but I do remember that he is different than in the movie in that he appears (all illusions) in different forms. I don’t know if this ties in at all with Oz but I guess we will know all in time.

Well, yesterday I was home sick and got to play on the computer all day…today, I’ve got to get back to work. uggh I’ll be watching for your posts AntBee. If you find any more clues or something points in a different direction I’m all ears cuz that bedspread clue (and all your clues) was pure genius! 😀

[sacrlc]

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There are a lot of details in this thread, “Bae IN New York?!”, percolating in my brain, plus some research I followed up on, that is leading me to a few theories. There are too many references in this thread that influenced my theories to include them here, so I want to give credit to everyone who has posted in this thread for all their work.

Albums in the MM’s (aka Neal Cassady) room and a movie seem to somehow encapsulate Emma and Henry’s father’s perceived relationship.

Both albums ” The Day Everything Became Isolated and Destroyed” , and “Good bye my Coney Island baby” carry a theme of loneliness and love.

There is also a movie named “Coney Island Baby” which was filmed in Sligo, Ireland which is known locally as “Coney Island”. Synopsis:

After spending time in New York, Billy Hayes returns to his hometown.
He wants to get back together with his ex-girlfriend and take her back to America in hopes of opening up a gas station.
But everything isn’t going Billy’s way – the townspeople aren’t happy to see him, and his ex-girlfriend is engaged and pregnant.
Then, Billy runs into his old friends who are planning a scam.

Here is an explanation from Wikipedia how “Coney Island” got it’s name:

Following European settlement, New York State were originally and New York City a Dutch colony and settlement, named Nieuw Nederland and Nieuw Amsterdam. The Dutch name for the island-originally Conyne Eylandt, or Konijneneiland in modern Dutch spelling perhaps named after the Conyne (Conine) family who lived in the area at the time-probably precedes the similar English name, Coney Island, with both translating as “Rabbit Island”. As on other Long Island barrier islands, Coney Island had many and diverse rabbits, and rabbit hunting prospered until resort development eliminated their habitat. The Dutch name is found on the New Netherland map of 1639 by Johannes Vingboon, which is before any known English records.
Coney Island therefore appears to be the English adaptation of the Dutch name. The word “coney” was popular in English at the time as an alternative for rabbit; while coney survives in archaic and dialectal contexts, a later adaptation, “bunny”, is now in common use. Coney came into the English language through the Old French word conil, which itself derived from the Latin word for rabbit, cuniculus.

The sign “Cleaners & Hatters” implies a link to Jefferson (the mad hatter).
The monocles and clocks also are a hint to the white rabbit.

The boys who talked August into leaving the foster home with them are probably the “lost boys”. Somewhere along the way, Bae probably also became one. Jefferson may have hooked up with them somehow, establishing a relationship with both August and Bae. This also may explain how August knew about Bae’s father, Rumple/Mr. Gold.

The fact that Bae went thru a portal from FTL, I don’t think he is the white rabbit per se, but instead, an allegory of the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland. Further evidence that Jefferson and Neal have a close relationship.

There is much more that I could add to this theory, but I’m a bit tired right now. zzzzz

So, in a recap, I believe Neal Cassady is Bae and is also Henry’s father.

I also believe since Jefferson knew Bae/Neal, he is the one who sent the postcard.
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Don't grow up. It's a trap.

[fairy dust]

@sacrlc wrote:

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There are a lot of details in this thread, “Bae IN New York?!”, percolating in my brain, plus some research I followed up on, that is leading me to a few theories. There are too many references in this thread that influenced my theories to include them here, so I want to give credit to everyone who has posted in this thread for all their work.

Albums in the MM’s (aka Neal Cassady) room and a movie seem to somehow encapsulate Emma and Henry’s father’s perceived relationship.

Both albums ” The Day Everything Became Isolated and Destroyed” , and “Good bye my Coney Island baby” carry a theme of loneliness and love.

There is also a movie named “Coney Island Baby” which was filmed in Sligo, Ireland which is known locally as “Coney Island”. Synopsis:

After spending time in New York, Billy Hayes returns to his hometown.
He wants to get back together with his ex-girlfriend and take her back to America in hopes of opening up a gas station.
But everything isn’t going Billy’s way – the townspeople aren’t happy to see him, and his ex-girlfriend is engaged and pregnant.
Then, Billy runs into his old friends who are planning a scam.

Here is an explanation from Wikipedia how “Coney Island” got it’s name:

Following European settlement, New York State were originally and New York City a Dutch colony and settlement, named Nieuw Nederland and Nieuw Amsterdam. The Dutch name for the island-originally Conyne Eylandt, or Konijneneiland in modern Dutch spelling perhaps named after the Conyne (Conine) family who lived in the area at the time-probably precedes the similar English name, Coney Island, with both translating as “Rabbit Island”. As on other Long Island barrier islands, Coney Island had many and diverse rabbits, and rabbit hunting prospered until resort development eliminated their habitat. The Dutch name is found on the New Netherland map of 1639 by Johannes Vingboon, which is before any known English records.
Coney Island therefore appears to be the English adaptation of the Dutch name. The word “coney” was popular in English at the time as an alternative for rabbit; while coney survives in archaic and dialectal contexts, a later adaptation, “bunny”, is now in common use. Coney came into the English language through the Old French word conil, which itself derived from the Latin word for rabbit, cuniculus.

The sign “Cleaners & Hatters” implies a link to Jefferson (the mad hatter).
The monocles and clocks also are a hint to the white rabbit.

The boys who talked August into leaving the foster home with them are probably the “lost boys”. Somewhere along the way, Bae probably also became one. Jefferson may have hooked up with them somehow, establishing a relationship with both August and Bae. This also may explain how August knew about Bae’s father, Rumple/Mr. Gold.

The fact that Bae went thru a portal from FTL, I don’t think he is the white rabbit per se, but instead, an allegory of the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland. Further evidence that Jefferson and Neal have a close relationship.

There is much more that I could add to this theory, but I’m a bit tired right now. zzzzz

So, in a recap, I believe Neal Cassady is Bae and is also Henry’s father.

I also believe since Jefferson knew Bae/Neal, he is the one who sent the postcard.
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Great post sacric 😀

[faux pax]

I Hope MM as the white rabbit is just an allegory. It really seems like such a flat character to make such a big deal of…maybe if the was the cheshire cat, besides, wasn’t the rabbit seen running everywhere? They didn’t show that in the clip, in fact he seemed to be almost leisurely walking home. I just really feel that if they were going to have him be the WR, they would include that little detail. I mean it would be like introducing Peter Pan as he is playing poker with a group of drinking buddies and chain smoking cigars. And MM wouldn’t even have the curse as an excuse for his personality to be a little screwed.

sacric, great research and a really interesting theory, but i have to ask, why are you referring to MM as Neal? Has his name been released and I somehow missed it?

[gypsy]

His name was revealed to be Neal Cassady…..many many connections…Jack Kerouac, Peter Pan, The Grateful Dead, etc…….

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