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I’m really starting to second guess the Baelfire situation. Since ‘the Return’, I had assumed that Bae would come back as an adult (ranged around 30s-early 40s, August’s age) but now, I’m wondering if the twist will be Dylan returning to reprise the role or an elderly man being Bae (or Bae being dead). If Bae is still a child, the stakes seem lesser. He’ll be mad at his papa, but it won’t be like it’s festered for years. Rumple can then raise his son (with his true love) and really won’t have to redeem himself from the curse or pay a price (except waiting for centuries and all..)
If he’s now older than his father, lived the majority of his life: I can’t see them reconnecting at all. For Baelfire it would probably be obsolete to have a father in his life at that point and Rumple won’t have his ‘boy’…that might be an even sadder conclusion to the Rumple/Baelfire storyline than Bae’s death: if Bae was alive, elderly, and neither had a place for the other in their world… 😥I guess I liked the idea of Bae being 30-something because both he and Rumple would have to get over bitterness and resentment, and reestablish their relationship from what they knew in Fairytale Land. It could even mirror the point where parents and their adult children have to reshape their relationship when their 20-something/coming home from college.
Add that Baelfire might be having to learn to be a father for the first time, possibly remembering how his father treated him before he became the dark one, and we have a storyline filed with family angst: but still hope. And isn’t hope the point of the show! 😉
[adrotate group="5"]I think Bae is the “Peter Pan” character. People don’t age in Neverland, and other than that there are no signs of magic in Neverland. It would explain the Blue Fairy saying that the world he was traveling to was a place with no magic. If the world Bae traveled to was Neverland, that solves the issue that Bae would be dead if he stayed within the normal confines of time. It also makes more sense that they’re introducing Captain Hook. Maybe Hook has Bae hidden somewhere and is holding him hostage.
isn’t there magic in Never land?
surely a place that is inhabited by children that never grow up, gnomes and fairies can’t be magical.
@Marilou wrote:
isn’t there magic in Never land?
surely a place that is inhabited by children that never grow up, gnomes and fairies can’t be magical.
Yes, that’s why I don’t think he’s Peter Pan or the Wizard of Oz, even though a case could possibly be made for both, just because I think it would be retcon to have Bae go to a place that had magic just because his father didn’t happen to go with him.
I`m with tcyoder on this one. Now, I wouldn`t be surprised to find out Dr. Whale was Peter Pan, even though I believe he is Frankenstein. I`ve posted both thoughts on this under `Who is Dr. Whale. New Points to Consider` thread. But my first hope has always been that Bae would turn up as Peter Pan and I did a lot of research about that back when I thought AWB could be Bae aka Peter Pan.
The motivation for J.M. Barrie writing Peter Pan was the death of his 13 year old brother. His brother died 2 days before his 14th birthday. Note that Bae was 14 when he disappeared.
Barrie called Peter and the children of Neverland `lost boys`. This was in reference to parents that had lost children to death, as his mother had. Note that Rumples ALWAYS refers to Bae as being `lost`.
Peter Pan and the other lost boys were caught between two worlds. Life & death. Note that Bae is caught between two worlds, magic & real world.
The Blue Fairy instructs Bae to follow the magic bean wherever it leads him. This leads us to believe that he went to at least one other world before reaching ours.
Robert Carlyle has admitted that Rumples is several centuries old. So timeline for Bae going missing is many centuries as well, as he went through the vortex when Rumples first took power. The 1st and 2nd Ogre Wars also show us that time frame. This was long before Snow, PC, EQ, Gepetto, Jiminy, etc. So, considering that Bae is several centuries old, it would make sense if he landed in Neverland and remained 14 prior to coming to the real world.
Peter Pan would travel to the real world and bring children back to Neverland. Emma was an orphan, living in an orphanage. What if Peter traveled there looking for `lost boys`. Bae had a friend Morraine back in FTL. I believe a young Emma would have resembled Morraine in many ways. Perhaps Peter became quite taken with Emma and decided to stay. Perhaps Emma convinced him to stay, just as Wendy attempted to do in the original story. Perhaps he ended up in that same orphanage from 14 on, developed a friendship with Emma that ended in their late teens. That could also bring into play the possibility of Bae, aka Peter Pan, being Henry`s father.
We now have Captain Hook in SB. K&H also stated that we would find out about Bae this season as we would about Henry`s father. Funny how they have brought Michael Raymond-James in, with a recurring role, and have been so secretive about his character. Let`s not forget how uncanny his resemblance is to Dylan Schmid, young Baelfire.
Again, I wouldn`t be surprised to find out Dr. Whale is Peter Pan though I believe him to be Frankenstein. Still holding out hope however, that Bae will end up as Peter Pan and Henry`s father.
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I don’t think Bae as Peter works. Bae is a sweet boy who just wants his father back and wants a normal life. Peter is a cocky show off who doesn’t have much of an understanding of compassion and always seeks out adventure.
Also, while I do love the movie Hook, I’d rather they didn’t go the route of a grown up Peter Pan. That would be sad- although it isn’t to say that won’t go that direction.
I am thinking more and more that Bae is Henry’s father. I think that would be a great way to connect those characters to the others.
I haven’t a clue who Dr. Whale is, but I get the impression he isn’t an especially heroic character. I don’t think Frankenstein fits in with the worlds represented in this show- but hey, you never know.
@AngieBelle wrote:
I don’t think Bae as Peter works. Bae is a sweet boy who just wants his father back and wants a normal life. Peter is a cocky show off who doesn’t have much of an understanding of compassion and always seeks out adventure.
I don’t know about that. We’ve seen Season 2 stills of Henry seemingly floating outside his bedroom window already. In the upcoming TV Guide issue, Josh Dallas talked about Emma & Henry’s dad. Here is what he said: “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain part that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.”
It makes sense to me that if Bae is indeed Peter Pan, Emma would not know this and only know him as a child of 14 onwards. The surprise would be that she finding out his true FT identity. Henry, being his son, might inherit his special “flying” abilities. Seems to me it’s looking more and more like a probability.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Bae being both Peter Pan and Henry’s father is an interesting twist, but i’m not sure i like it. I mean wouldn’t that turn Emma into a bit of a pedo? She may only have been seventeen or eighteen but he was stuck in the body of a fourteen-year old boy. Any way you spin that, it’s not exactly the thing you want to insinuate in a family friendly show.
I always kind of thought of Henry as being Peter. I know he wasn’t born in FTL, and I know the personality don’t match, but i think it would be kind of fitting if they could swing it some way (hence with the flying). I mean the curse was designed to take away EVERYONE’s happy ending. It’s already taken any chance Regena has at a true happy ending when it required her to kill her father, so maybe that kind of thing rolls over.
In storybrook, Henry was the only kid to ever grow up. If he was Peter, don’t you think that would kind of suck for him? I mean isn’t that one of the things that caused his issues, and made him believe the book was real in the first place?
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
@AngieBelle wrote:
I don’t think Bae as Peter works. Bae is a sweet boy who just wants his father back and wants a normal life. Peter is a cocky show off who doesn’t have much of an understanding of compassion and always seeks out adventure.
I don’t know about that. We’ve seen Season 2 stills of Henry seemingly floating outside his bedroom window already. In the upcoming TV Guide issue, Josh Dallas talked about Emma & Henry’s dad. Here is what he said: “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain part that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.”
It makes sense to me that if Bae is indeed Peter Pan, Emma would not know this and only know him as a child of 14 onwards. The surprise would be that she finding out his true FT identity. Henry, being his son, might inherit his special “flying” abilities. Seems to me it’s looking more and more like a probability.
When I saw those pictures, my thought was that Henry was trying to either run away or sneak inside the house by climbing out or into the window- you can see the rope made of sheets he used to climb if you look closely, and Regina stopped him with magic and lifted him up the same way her mother once lifted her when she was angry. I don’t think Henry was flying by choice.
Having him be Peter would require a lot of explanation as to why Peter was not in Neverland anymore and ended up growing up.
It isn’t completely implausible, I suppose, but I’m not fond of that theory. It just feels too complicated.
I think a more simple explanation is that Bae merely ended up in our world when he went through the portal, grew older, and met Emma.
@Faux Pax wrote:
Bae being both Peter Pan and Henry’s father is an interesting twist, but i’m not sure i like it. I mean wouldn’t that turn Emma into a bit of a pedo? She may only have been seventeen or eighteen but he was stuck in the body of a fourteen-year old boy. Any way you spin that, it’s not exactly the thing you want to insinuate in a family friendly show.
Nothing in my theory implies what you’re suggesting Faux Pas. What I said was that Bae/Peter showed up in the real world at 14, around the same age as Emma. He remained here and over the years, AGED, and they developed a relationship. Hence something happening in their late teens (18 or 19) or possibly early 20’s.
Frankly, I’m a little shocked that you would even read it that way.
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