Baelfire

[eternalflame]

I’m actually pretty partial to all of the Baelfire theories. My favorite one is him being Henry’s biological father, but I also love the idea of him being Peter Pan, Jack or the Wizard of Oz. 🙂

[antbee]

Wow! This topic exploded today. It’s nice to have a discussion going on even when the show’s season hasn’t started yet.

@EternalღFlame wrote:

I’m actually pretty partial to all of the Baelfire theories. My favorite one is him being Henry’s biological father, but I also love the idea of him being Peter Pan, Jack or the Wizard of Oz. 🙂

Yes, my favorite Bae theory is him being Henry’s dad, so as long as that happens I’ll be okay with just about anything else. Although I would feel slightly cheated if we find out that Bae did in fact go to a magical land, but I could probably overlook it as long as they do his story right, and make the Emma/Bae pairing one that I root for to happen.

Honestly, I’m less interested in who (if anybody) is Peter. What I am dying to see is, when it is revealed that Bae is Henry’s father, what will that do to Rumple and his relationship with both Bae and Henry. Think about it. He’s the one who got Henry for Regina. I can totally see him knowing Henry was Emma’s kid and using that as a way to eventually drawl Emma in to storybrook. BUT i doubt he would have given him over if he knew Henry was his grandson. I don’t see him doing that; it’s just not in his character… especially since he knew what kind of person Regina was (she did kill Henry sr.). I’ll accept the fact that he can see the future, but there has to be at least some things that are out of his reach. And i kind of hope this is one of them.

That revelation would be epic. And Robert could so pull it off. Plus, if Bae found out and didn’t believe Rumple didn’t know… well, now with all the Rumple/Bae build up, they can’t have their issues resolved too quickly, now can they? Mwhahaha

While I agree with Gypsy and TheGoldenKey that Rumple didn’t remember anything from Fairy Tale Land until Emma said her name to him in the pilot, I wholeheartedly agree that once Rumple finds out the mega revelation about Henry being Bae’s son, the show doesn’t need anything extra like Bae also being Peter Pan or the Wizard of Oz, because everyone finding out that news and the stories that could be played out from the mega revelation could be carried out over many seasons.

When Rumple finds out, I agree it will definitely be epic. I expect and probably pretty much guarantee at this point that his reunion with the real Bae will not go as smoothly as his reunions with fake Bae and Belle. I think the show could definitely keep a reconciliation from happening between Bae and Rumple until the final season if ever really, no matter how long the show lasts, because obviously Bae’s still probably very to angry about his father breaking his deal, but then you throw in on top of that all these evil machinations his father has done and all the lives his father ruined, and trying to justify that because he wanted to be reunited with Bae, I can’t imagine how much anger Bae will feel. Not to mention his father being behind his son being adopted by the Evil Queen, bringing magic to Storybrooke, and not caring if Henry died as long as he got the true love potion, etc.

Then, obviously Bae and Emma will have a lot of issues to work out. Who knows where Henry will stand too? Is he going to be pissed at Emma for lying to him? How will he feel towards Bae? Did Bae have any inkling that he had a son out there, or is he going to be pissed at Emma for not telling him?

Of course, then you throw in Snow, Charming, Regina, and Belle to the mix, and the show has so many ways it could go with the mega revelation.

I think that for whatever reason, Rumple had to accept the fact that he was going to lose some time with Bae in regards to that twenty eight years when the curse was in effect (maybe it had something to do with the way the magic worked, or maybe the curse was the only way he could get to this world. he did put in the safety valve regarding Emma to break it after all). If the curse and Bae came through at the same time, then Bae would keep ageing like August and Emma because he wasn’t IN storybrook, even if he was originally of that world. I think that after centuries of Rumple desperate for a do-over, he would jump at the chance to have his son back at all, even if that meant he was almost thirty years older then the last time they saw each other.

Yes, I think he wanted to enact the Curse earlier to get to the exact year that Bae arrived, but perhaps he couldn’t because of not being able to find the right couple for the true love part, and not being able to find anyone willing to enact the Curse. Plus, he might not have been able to narrow down the exact time just a time frame of when Bae landed. So in actuality, I think that Rumple actually arrived here first but was trapped in Storybrooke for 28 years, but I think Bae landed here later on that way there won’t be too much of an age difference between Emma and Bae. Plus, that way it would be even more heartbreaking if a young Bae found his way to Storybrooke before the Curse broke, found his dad, and then his dad didn’t even remember him. 😥 Oh god the feelings! If that happens on the show or if I ever read that in a fan fiction, I know I’m just going to lose it.

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Then, obviously Bae and Emma will have a lot of issues to work out. Who knows where Henry will stand too? Is he going to be pissed at Emma for lying to him? How will he feel towards Bae? Did Bae have any inkling that he had a son out there, or is he going to be pissed at Emma for not telling him?

Of course, then you throw in Snow, Charming, Regina, and Belle to the mix, and the show has so many ways it could go with the mega revelation.

I’ll take “awkward family dynamics” for five hundred. lol.

[TheGoldenKey]

I agree. The scenes between Rumple & AWB were so intense. Had me hanging off the edge of my seat. Best of the whole season if you ask me. I can only imagine what Robert Carlyle will bring to the table once reunited with Bae..

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[PriceofMagic]

It won’t be a happy reunion that’s for sure.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

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I think the show could definitely keep a reconciliation from happening between Bae and Rumple until the final season if ever really

That’s interesting. I hadn’t really thought about the fact that they might not reconcile (who am I kidding, it’s TV it will happen unless the show ends early for whatever reason *shudder*) or at least take seasons worth of work at it. It would really kind of highlight the differences between this world and FTL. There happy endings were a lot easier to get…but in the real world there is no guarantee.

[puzzled]

IDK… 🙁 I guess with my boring logical, analytical mind…Bae’s age now, and then just doesn’t seem to match up….. just too old! Ok, I understand all the “how cool it would be’s”, I get that!, but at the end of the day I’m still stuck with what Baelfire’s logical path would have been. #1 Baelfire fell through that portal centuries!!!! before any Curse, Evil Queen, or Storybrooke was even imagined, so Baelfire has no clue about what’s happening in FTL centuries after he’s left. #2 The BlueFairy told Bae’ that they would be taken to a world without magic. Is not NeverLand magical? #3 Baelfire could have crossed at an older age than 14, remember,…. Morraine had time to go to war and return after Rumple’ stopped the war… ❓ How long did that take ❓ Then, how long was Morraine home untill we see her tell Bae’ about Reul Ghorm/Blue Fairy ❓ months,…a year, more ❓ So Baelfire could have dropped through time at possibly an older age than 14. But, for now let’s say he dropped through at 14 and arrived in our world at 14. Based on the time that everyone else arrived in Storybrooke, Bae’ shows up in the real world in 1983 with his last word to his father still echoing in his head, “COWARD!!” Ha!, probably still screaming it as he falls into our world!. I wouldn’t even think that my father was looking for me!, why would I? I’m 14 years old coming straight into 1983 from medievil times!. I drop in from nowhere to suddenly try to process automobiles, trains and planes overhead in the sky!….and! Cyndi Lauper!? yikes! what’s that!? 😆 At the same time, somewhere in Maine, Pinocchio and Emma make their entrance. By some miracle of fairytales a 31, 32yr or older Baelfire(who is now 41, 42 or older) and a 17year old Emma meet and conceive a child in a Disney story?…. isn’t that a bit of a stretch for this calibre of writers? IDK?…they did invent AND KILL a dwarf!…. but, isn’t this a little bit more on the seedy side? I guess anything is possible, but at the cost of the integrity of the storyline? IDK… I guess we’ll see. ❓

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As a little aside, am I the only one who kind of hopes Bae has spent at least some time in the military? I mean it would have been a perfect form of teenage rebellion. Rumple got magic to keep him out of war, so after he, in essences chooses magic over his son, Bae enlists as a big middle finger to his father.

[gypsy]

Judging by the fact that Bae didn’t look like he aged much, if at all, between the time he turned 14 and the time he went through the portal, I think it’s safe to say was still the same age. I would guess that Rumplestiltskin would have ended the war asap after becoming the Dark One…why would he wait a day, week, month, year (?) if he had the power to save the kids? It’s tough to predict how old Bae would be because we don’t know when he came to our world. He was ‘supposed’ to go to a ‘land without magic’ but, as TheGoldenKey pointed out, when the Blue Fairy gave Bae the bean, she told him to “follow it wherever it leads you”. He could’ve ended up in Neverland, spent 100 yrs there, not aged, eventually found his way to our world, started aging normally and met Emma.

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I always thought that by, “follow it wherever it leads you,” she meant that she didn’t really know enough about that world to describe it. All she knew was that it was a world without magic.

and I wasn’t saying that Rumple wouldn’t have stopped the war the same day. What i’m saying is that, assuming Bae came strate here, he would have been really mad at Rumple and signing up the first chance he got could have been a nice form of payback.

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