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September 20, 2012 at 3:25 pm #154162gypsyParticipant
Faux Pax, I was referring to Puzzled’s point #3 when I said he would have stopped the war asap 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]September 21, 2012 at 1:52 am #154189faux paxParticipantAhhhh… sorry.
On another note, there is one thing i’m looking forward to seeing and I think it’s something they are going to have to show eventually, whether or not any of our theories are right. I want to see the relationship between Bae and Bell. Now i’m not saying i want them to get together or anything (i’m far too much of a Rumbell fan for that), but i think it would be interesting. They are the only things that keep Rumple’s humanity anywhere close to in check.
Rumple has already chosen magic over them once, but that was when it was just one of them at a time. What did you think would happen if (when) they ever got the idea to team up to convince him that the magic wasn’t worth it?
September 21, 2012 at 2:55 am #154193gypsyParticipantFaux Pax- no biggie 🙂
I agree- Bae and Belle have issues w/ Rumple. However, If they have Rumple choose Bae and/or Belle over magic, and he becomes the ‘cowardly peasant’ he was before he became the Dark One- people are gonna be pissed off! I know I will be! They made his character way too cool for that. I see Rumple making Bae and Belle realize that, although the ‘curse’ of being the Dark One ultimately caused them to lose each other, magic is what brought them back together. As the Blue Fairy said “There is good magic and dark magic…”
September 21, 2012 at 3:09 am #154194faux paxParticipantTrue, but even if it doesn’t come down to “Magic or Us,” it’s not going to be easy for Rumple to have his cake and eat it too. Both Bae and Bell are very empathetic characters. They aren’t going to be able to stand sitting by while he manipulates people to his advantage, with no consideration as to what will happen to those he uses. (Think the entirety of the curse).
If somehow he is able to keep magic AND his family, the only way that will work is if he really does some soul searching. I’m not talking about him suddenly becoming like the blue fairy, but he is definitely going to have to learn some resistant.
Another thing to consider is that the blue fairy told Bae the “what ales your father is unique to this realm.” That kind of makes me think of the dark one’s magic as a sort of disease. If that’s the case, then maybe the magic is infecting him and literally corrupting him. Think about it: their is a quite a bit of difference between Rumple and Gold.
Following that logic, it might not be possible for him to keep magic AND be good enough of a person that his family can stand him. Maybe that’s something they’ll have to resolve during the last season.
Or maybe, with enough work and if he REALLY tried, he could reverse the polarity of his magic. Somehow turn the Dark magic into light (not likely and it wouldn’t be easy–but in OUAT, you never know).
September 21, 2012 at 3:57 am #154198gypsyParticipantGood points, Faux Pax. It is definitely something that will take more than a minute to play out. I think Rumple already started to ‘change’ in some ways. He was depicted as a force to be reckoned with and he did some despicable things, but, they showed a softer side- he ended the war to save the children- he didn’t have to, Bae was safe. He showed regret/guilt at letting Bae and Belle down….and now that he was reunited with Belle and will eventually be reunited with Bae, he won’t have to use people to his advantage. Everything he did, from the time Bae left (even shunning Belle), was for the sole purpose of finding Bae. I think he learned his lesson the hard way. I agree, being the Dark One did seem to infect him, but, again, even though he did some dirty things, his motivation was love…so, he’s not all bad…unlike Regina. Her motivation was selfish- revenge. She killed ‘the thing she loved most’ to suit her needs. Rumplestiltskin used her to his advantage (a desperate soul) to enact the curse, because when it came right down to it, he wouldn’t have been able to bring himself to kill the thing he loved most (Belle) to find the thing he loved most (Bae). I think that’s why he did what he did and sent Belle away. He knew he had to remain the Dark One to find Bae, and Belle’s love would’ve broken the curse.
September 21, 2012 at 4:21 am #154200faux paxParticipantAnd that is what makes him such an interesting character. He could do ALMOST anything and it still be in character.
Depending on just how jaded Bae turned out to be after his time alone in the real world, it may just come down to Rumple having to give up his powers as a piece offering. As a way to show that he really is willing to make it work this time.
The thing is that Rumple has always gotten his way, if not by magic, then by manipulating words (like when he found the loophole that got Emma the sheriff’s job). He can’t do that to Bae and Bell, not without pushing them away and he is smart enough to know that. And Bae has already proven himself to be rather stubborn and persistent.
I think it will be interesting to see who comes out on top with that one, because the truth is that in that situation, I think Rumple is the more desperate soul. He has been the one spending centuries trying to get back to Bae, but Bae has spent every day since he was fourteen (however long that was for him–since we don’t know his Real World age) living with the fact that his father abandoned him to a strange and frighting world because he was too much of a coward to live without his power and too much of a fool to realize that not all that glitters is gold.
September 21, 2012 at 4:34 am #154202gypsyParticipantIt sure will be interesting. And K&H will have to play it off with perfection (and they will, they’re geniuses) because short of someone killing Rumple with the dagger, he will remain the Dark One.
September 21, 2012 at 4:43 am #154203faux paxParticipantI feel bad for saying this, but I kind of hope Bae turns out to be something of a bad guy, at least for a season or two. Just to see Rumple’s reaction to it. To know that Bae was the better man and that his abandonment brought him down to a pretty low level, would really tare him up. And maybe it would be a good incentive to be better.
September 21, 2012 at 1:34 pm #154220TheGoldenKeyParticipantJust a few thoughts I’m throwing out here.
1) Lana Parrilla stated in an interview that EQ had a good heart deep down inside. She was hoping we’d see EQ redeemed at some point. So there is hope for Rumple that he will rise above corruption of his own Dark Lord curse.
2) K&H have said now that the curse has broken it’s a whole new set of rules. Have to wonder if that is also applicable to Rumple and the dagger. Perhaps there is another way around breaking his curse now that all worlds have seemed to join together and we have a whole new set of rules.
3) K&H when asked “is Henry’s father someone we’ve already met?” responded “can’t answer”. Emma has met just about every character we’ve met, except of course Bae. It’s looking promising.
I just hope the writers can live up to our expectations of a Bae & Rumple reunion, be it good or bad. As I’ve said before, the scenes between Gold & AWB were so intense, it will be a very tall order to fill.
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September 21, 2012 at 6:30 pm #154224whiteowl82ParticipantFaux Pax, I actually agree with you. Not so much a bad guy, but an antagonist of sorts. Just imagine: Rumple has been looking for his son for centuries, and when he finds him, he’s not she sweey boy he remembers, but a bitter, tormented man who hates him. The conflict would be much bigger.
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