Baelfire

[faux pax]

Josh dallis said this about Emma’s baby daddy “Emma only knew a certain percentage of the man” or something to that effect.

Now going with the idea that Bae is Henry’s father, that leads quite a bit of credence to the idea that he’s a very complex character. And with what Emma told MM about Henry’s father, Bae might just be something of an antagonist.

I can just imagine the Feels already.

[shery0812]

Hey, all! I’m new around here and I enjoy reading all of you guys’s theories, particularly about Baelfire, a character I’m deeply invested in.

First off, I just want to say–how MUCH I loathe the Bae-is-Henry’s-father theory. Seriously, I despise and hate it so, so much. My reasons for that range from me having my own and rigid theory as to what happened to Bae, to pretty much not liking the idea of Bae being the lowlife person Emma suggested Henry’s father is.

HOWEVER…I suppose that IS where the show is headed, isn’t it? I mean, the heavy hints dropped by the writers, the pieces all fitting together, story-wise, it almost seems inevitable that Bae WILL wind up being the father. *sigh* blah…

I love the idea of Baelfire having ended up in Neverland somewhow (in fact, it fits perfectly with my theory, which is too tedious and convoluted to explain here), but yea…it also does away with that nasty time frame plothole/glitch which at this point is the only thing that keeps me grasping to the thin thread of hope that Baelfire is in fact not the father.

But I guess we shall see. I may not like how the writers end up re-introducing Bae into the show, but I’m sure I can learn to live with it IF it’s woven in intelligently and creatively. 🙂

[lilred]

We love tedious and convoluted theories here. Please, share with us your theory Shery! 😀

[shery0812]

haha. No, really, it’s way too weird. It requires introducing new characters into the show that haven’t even been introduced yet/and probably might never. I have a fanciful imagination. 😛 I will just say this: I DON’T think he’s peter pan if he wound up in Neverland. 🙂

You know, after a lot of thinking and analyzing, I realized the REAL reason I don’t want Bae to wind up being the missing dad. It’s actually two-fold:

I don’t want his storyline with Rumpel to take a back seat to the revelation of being Henry’s father. I always imagined that if/when Baelfire reappeared, the sole focus would be entirely on the conflict between he and Mr. Gold. That’s what makes it juicy for me. If Bae winds up being Henry’s dad, then we’ve got two conflicts/storylines to worry about, and I’m really not keen on the idea of watching this entire family drama unfold of how Bae used to be a ”shady” guy who just now wants to reconnect with his son. I want the main focus to be between him and Gold.

Also, and this is the big one for me, I fear that introducing Bae as the long lost father will water down the conflict between he and Rumpel. Basically, I’m scared that if Baelfire is brought back as a character in need of redemption himself, then it will downplay the reconciliation with Gold. I don’t want a fluffy, simple I-forgive-you-dad-for-abandoning-me-because-I-screwed-up-myself make-up scene. No. I want angst. I want conflict. I want nasty confrontations before forgiveness and eventual reconciliation. What can I say, I’m a girl who loves her drama. 😆

So yea, that’s basically my take on the whole thing. I may be exaggerating, and deep down I do trust the writers to bring in a lot of drama and angst with Bae’s character. But part of me worries that it will all be completely anti-climactic in the end. *shrug*

[faux pax]

You have an interesting point about the Bae/Rumple drama taking a back seat to the Bae/Henry/Emma drama. I hadn’t really though of it, but I agree with your concerns (although I am such a big fan of the Bae as Henry’s daddy theory, that i’d be more devastated it he wasn’t).

According to the first few episode synopsis, Emma and MM are going to be stuck somewhere outside of storybrook for a bit and the guy who is billed as the “mysterious man” is slated to appear in the first epp.

So what i think will happen–if they are going to try and balance both sets of drama–is that for the first couple of epps Emma and Bae don’t run into each other (see spoiler) giving the Bae/ Rumple drama time to unfold. When they do run into each other Emma won’t tell him about Henry and will try and keep the truth from both of them for a while more.

That drama will simmer on the back burner until the Bae/Rumple stuff settles, then the truth comes out. While they’re working on that, it somehow gets back to Bae that Rumple was the one to “Procure” Henry for the evil queen (probably Regina’s doing as a way to get back at Rumple), which makes Bae so mad, it sets their relationship back to square one, or worse.

That’s pretty much how i see the thing playing out, and if they do it well, it just might work. Any thoughts?

[antbee]

Also, and this is the big one for me, I fear that introducing Bae as the long lost father will water down the conflict between he and Rumpel. Basically, I’m scared that if Baelfire is brought back as a character in need of redemption himself, then it will downplay the reconciliation with Gold. I don’t want a fluffy, simple I-forgive-you-dad-for-abandoning-me-because-I-screwed-up-myself make-up scene. No. I want angst. I want conflict. I want nasty confrontations before forgiveness and eventual reconciliation. What can I say, I’m a girl who loves her drama.

Oh I hope Bae doesn’t forgive Rumple that easily. That probably won’t happen just because fake!Bae and Rumple already had the easy reunion, so I expect the real reunion is going to be really angst filled. I agree though that I hope that they don’t reunite too quickly later on like if something happens to Henry and/or Emma, and they’re forced to work together to save them, or because Bae is forced to be the bigger person again and forgives Rumple just because of whatever Bae did between the time that Rumple abandoned him and the time he arrived in Storybrooke. I want Bae to freeze out Rumple for quite awhile because I think Rumple really deserves it, and I think Rumple has to really work at having a relationship with Bae again.

I think that Bae can still be Henry’s father and still have that happen. I can see a lot of angst happening because Bae might have been able to eventually forgive or at least understand his father choosing power over his son because he may have ran away from whatever happened that landed Emma in jail, but not for everything else that his father did afterwards. Later on though, I can see him becoming more conflicted as the Emma/Baelfire relationship progresses because without the Curse, he and Emma would have never met each other. So I can see him softening at times, but then Rumple will make the wrong choice again, and Bae and Rumple will be back at square one again until eventually they have their reconciliation.

@Faux Pax wrote:

So what i think will happen–if they are going to try and balance both sets of drama–is that for the first couple of epps Emma and Bae don’t run into each other (see spoiler) giving the Bae/ Rumple drama time to unfold. When they do run into each other Emma won’t tell him about Henry and will try and keep the truth from both of them for a while more.

That drama will simmer on the back burner until the Bae/Rumple stuff settles, then the truth comes out. While they’re working on that, it somehow gets back to Bae that Rumple was the one to “Procure” Henry for the evil queen (probably Regina’s doing as a way to get back at Rumple), which makes Bae so mad, it sets their relationship back to square one, or worse.

That’s pretty much how i see the thing playing out, and if they do it well, it just might work. Any thoughts?

I think it will work similar to that except maybe in a different order. I think the Henry’s father stuff will play out first just because I don’t think Emma will be able to hide her emotions when she sees his father again, and because I think Henry’s father will be smart enough to figure out that he’s probably the father of Henry just by doing the math.

While on the other hand, Rumple doesn’t have a clue as to what Bae looks like now, so I think that can be dragged out longer. He probably will suspect that the new stranger is Bae, but either after finding out that he’s actually Henry’s dad or that the stranger is there to see Emma, which Rumple would probably then guess that the stranger was Henry’s dad, he might not think anything more about the stranger until later on in the season especially if he has other things to deal with first like revenge on Regina and matters with Captain Hook to settle.

Plus, this way Bae gets to see first-hand how his father is now, so maybe when he first comes to Storybrooke, he might have been more willing to forgive his father, but after getting to watch his father in action without Rumple knowing who Bae is, that could strengthen Bae’s resolve to never forgive his father if he sees his father got even worse.

It will also be interesting to see how Belle fits in there. I wonder if Bae will be angry jealous not because of any romantic feelings for Belle of course, but just angry and jealous that even with everything that his father did, his father still gets to have romantic love. Or will he think that she’s suffering from Stochkholm syndrome, and try to get her to see that his father is never going to change for anyone. Or maybe Belle will help father and son reunite.

Maybe I’m just burned out on too many stories where Rumple gets both Belle and to be reunited with a still young Baelfire who instantaneously forgives his father and is okay with Belle being his step-mom immediately after being dropped by the vortex opening in Storybrooke, that I really want the whole Bae, Rumple, and Belle storyline to be really angst-filled. Of course, I don’t want it to be angst-filled because of romance, which I don’t think they would do anyways because we already know Belle and Rumple have true love, but I just wanted to state that. I just don’t want to see them become this happy little family unit, maybe much later on if Rumple really changes; although even then I would still be more interested in seeing Emma, Bae, and Henry as a happy family unit.

[faux pax]

Maybe I’m just burned out on too many stories where Rumple gets both Belle and to be reunited with a still young Baelfire who instantaneously forgives his father and is okay with Belle being his step-mom immediately after being dropped by the vortex opening in Storybrooke, that I really want the whole Bae, Rumple, and Belle storyline to be really angst-filled.

That’s takeing too much of the easy way out and would, in my eyes, ruin the credibality of the show in a big way if they tryed something like that.

I like your point about Bae chilling around Stroybrook for a while and just watching first… and I kind of can’t wait to see what happens between Charming and Bae when Emma explains what happened between them (whatever it was). Priceless.

[shery0812]

Meh. I guess we’ll just have to sit back and wait to see what happens. I’m still clinging on to my thin thread of hope that Bae will not be the father, even though right now it’s bordering on delusional wishful thinking. :lol:… 😯

If/when Bae is discovered to be the father, I’ll find some way to stomach it, I suppose (unless, of course, they do something really ridiculous with Bae’s character, like portray him as a strong antagonist and even villain– in which case, I’ll seriously contemplate dropping the show).

I just love this character so much (which is strange, considering he was in only two episodes) but I don’t want his nobility or “goodness” tarnished in any way. :/ Poor, poor little Bae. I just want to give him a big hug. lol.

[dorothy]

There are a few things I’m hoping the writers will do with Bae’s character. As much as I would love to see him at the end of this season crawling out of the vortex still as a 14 year old boy, I think that may not be the way the writers are planning this out.

Plus, this way Bae gets to see first-hand how his father is now, so maybe when he first comes to Storybrooke, he might have been more willing to forgive his father, but after getting to watch his father in action without Rumple knowing who Bae is, that could strengthen Bae’s resolve to never forgive his father if he sees his father got even worse.

I love this idea! Since it’s probable that he’ll be all grown up at this point in the story, I would love for the writers to lead us on thinking that Bae’s character is someone else entirely, until he sees his dad and freaks out-like tries to leave town freaking out, but decides to stay and watch instead.

I’m also one of those people who think that the real Rumple and Bae reunion won’t be a happy one. Because the fake one was such a shocker, there’s two other ways the writers could do this. One, Rumple could pass by Bae in the street without even recognizing him, making it an “unofficial reunion.” Second, they could make the real reunion even more shocking than the fake one. Like for instance, Bae stabbing his dad with the dagger.

[faux pax]

I think that, maybe at first, Bae would want to forgive him, even if he doesn’t admite it to himself. A part of him will always be that lost little boy who was trying to save his dad. But I do see it becomeing something like a dance. Everytime Bae and Rumple seem like they may be makeing some progress, Bae will find out something about Rumple or what he’s done (the curse, procureing Henry…the list goes on) and that sends them right back to the begining or worse.

If they play that out right, it could go on for a few seasons.

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