Baelfire

[lilamae]

I don’t know if this has been mentioned before, but apparently, on Lost, one of the main character’s passports had an alias of “Dean Moriarty”, which was the name of the a book character based upon Neal Cassady. So Neal Cassady is definitely already within the writers’ minds.

[gypsy]

LilaMae- yeah, it was the name on Ben Linus’ passport that he used when he ended up in Tunisia.

[charming]

To each their own. I believe there are going to be more options if Bae were not Henry’s father. The stories will be limited were as if he were not there will exist more storylines because the two will not be one and the same. The writers can write themselves into a corner they cannot write out of and then it can wound up being a weak and dumb storyline. The show Friends ended with every character dating one another and getting into relationships. I feel when you start making every single character related to one another can yield the same result. There is a difference between interconnected and interrelated. They are all interconnected but need not be interrelated.

[TheGoldenKey]

@charming wrote:

To each their own. I believe there are going to be more options if Bae were not Henry’s father. The stories will be limited were as if he were not there will exist more storylines because the two will not be one and the same. The writers can write themselves into a corner they cannot write out of and then it can wound up being a weak and dumb storyline. The show Friends ended with every character dating one another and getting into relationships. I feel when you start making every single character related to one another can yield the same result. There is a difference between interconnected and interrelated. They are all interconnected but need not be interrelated.

Good point charming and would keep us all on our toes for many season’s to come. However, K&H said we would find out Bae’s fate sometime this season. So I don’t know…… 😕

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Grimmsister]

fairy dust wrote:

“This portion of the poem describes almost perfectly the path that Neal Cassady/Mystery Man walked through New York City, exiting Central Park at 7th Street, ending up on the lower East Side, even looking over his shoulder, the reference to horses from Emily Dickenson’s poem…the horses in the poem drive the carriage that is death…the last lines of Adonis fit Baelfire exactly. I could go on and on but I don’t have time. Kaddish and Howl are Ginsberg’s two most famous poems and they both are based on his early experiences.”

Wow fairy dust. Thank you for that. And the rest of your post. All some very interesting things.
I’m amazed sometimes how people can put all these things together.
Also kudos to the writers of the show. It just keeps getting better and better doesn’t it ?
I love all these references to stories and culture.

[vampirefan12]

Theory about Baelfire being the Wizard of Oz and knowing August and Jefferson:

This theory I have about Baelfire but it probably won’t happen ( I know this theory could be a jump the shark theory material. ) :

Baelfire went through the green portal from the bean and he landed in Kansas,
He could have met Dorothy and they became friends and somehow they found a portal to Oz and he decided to stay in Oz and he became the Wizard and Dorothy went back home to Kansas with the ruby slippers. A few years later, he found a way back to Kansas but he could go back and forth to Oz.

He grew up in Oz but the time is different there and he is still young.

I know this won’t happen but I really hope he is the Wizard of Oz because it would be Like Father, Like Son type of thing.

Also if he was in Oz, he met Jefferson and he was the one that told him that the slippers were moved. Also when he came back to Kansas he met August and they became best friends, and he was the one that told August about his dad Rumpelstitskin and the dagger. Maybe he told August about the ”dagger” because he found out about August’s condition and him being Pinocchio and told him that there was a dagger that would help him but he had to pretend to be Baelfire to make the plan work. Another theory I have is that August told Baelfire about the curse and maybe Baelfire had a feeling that his father made the curse but maybe he doesn’t know is that the curse was made to find him.

Also August had a Kansas license plate on his motorcyle so he could have met Baelfire and Dorothy when Baelfire came back from Oz.

[archgarch]

Hi All! New to this thread so forgive me if this has been commented upon before:

I think the “casual” mention of Neverland by Emma in TALLAHASSEE is important. Neal is talking about moving to a new city and Emma says in response (paraphrasing): “Where? Neverland?” I argue that NOTHING in a script for a newtork show as big and and analyzed by fans as OUAT has any “throw away” lines. There is also use of the adjective “lost” by Neal in his TALLAHASSEE dialogue.

So, if I were a “bettin’ girl”, I would put my money on Neal ending up as Peter Pan. The dual antagonist possiblity of the Rumplestiltskin family against Hook is too good to pass up from a dramaturgy point of view. Hopefully, Neverland developments will also give the show a chance to beef-up Belle’s character. For a character who is supposed to be smart and assertive, Belle should not end up the damsel-in distress librarian for the show. Give her a sword! Let her fight Hook on a pirate ship! Give her something instead of being handcuffed to a mining cart!

[the fairest]

I’m not too keen on accepting little nods to beloved fairytales as actual evidence. There have been a ton of nods to the Wizard of Oz throughout the first and second season, but they all amounted to nothing. There were Oz nods connected to August with the green phone, Regina with her saying “I don’t care if my skin turns green,” and Rumpel asking for the ruby slippers in The Doctor. I just think they’re all nods, and the same goes for the Neverland nods that have been surrounding Neal. A lot of people were swearing up and down that August was Oz, but of course, like we predicted, he turned out to be Pinocchio. I think it’ll be the same with Neal. But we’ll have to wait and see I guess. 😉

[gypsy]

K&H have said in the entertainment Weekly interview that Oz is not a question of ‘if’ but a question of ‘when’.

And, ‘just’ a nod, no, that really wouldn’t be evidence of anything, really, but naming Henry’s father Neal Cassady is more than just a nod- the fact that the name Neal Cassady is heavily connected to Peter Pan is evidence, to me. I haven’t seen stronger ‘evidence’ pointing to another character. So, the Neal Cassady clues tie in with TheGoldenKey’s theory of Bae being PP and Henry’s father. Names are all- important to these guys…they did the same thing with LOST.

[archgarch]

@Gypsy wrote:

K&H have said in the entertainment Weekly interview that Oz is not a question of ‘if’ but a question of ‘when’.

And, ‘just’ a nod, no, that really wouldn’t be evidence of anything, really, but naming Henry’s father Neal Cassady is more than just a nod- the fact that the name Neal Cassady is heavily connected to Peter Pan is evidence, to me. I haven’t seen stronger ‘evidence’ pointing to another character. So, the Neal Cassady clues tie in with TheGoldenKey’s theory of Bae being PP and Henry’s father. Names are all- important to these guys…they did the same thing with LOST.

Yup! There is definitely a penchant for Oz by K& H. “Henry Gale” in LOST is a good example. I would also add the Flying Monkeys in Henry’s book and the green doors with OZ on the handles (HAT TRICK) to the Oz evidence.

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