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Our opinions are not that different, just that I think, that Bae might have not forgotten or repressed his memories of his time in the Enchanted Forest. Even I say, he might prefer to not be reminded of it, but more out of own will and active avoidance than because of a psychological process of memories becoming repressed. Not talking about something, not wanting to talk about it or face it doesn’t equal forgetting or repressing memories, and sure is far from amnesia. But I might be a bit technical about it (sorry, psychology theory was one of my subjects at university, but I am not a trained psychologist, just that you know, don’t worry, I don’t analyze you)
Of course repressing a memory doesn’t has to mean, that someone doesn’t have the feelings connected with that memory anymore. The opposite, the emotions are still there, but are projected onto other situations and people, affecting thoughts, desires, actions, and can manifest eventually in neurosis. It’s not just any kind of memory but memories of traumatic events and whatever is connected to those. Freud’s theory 101. Dreams are seen in psychoanalyses as key or tool to regain or build conscious knowledge of repressed memories, which have become a part of the unconsciousness of the person, pretty much unaccessible otherwise (If Freud’s theory about repression is any true is disputed, but that is something for a course in psychology).
What qualifies an event as traumatic isn’t simple to tell. From the view of the person experiencing it an event can be traumatic even though everybody else might think, it’s no life-threatening or extremly stressful situation. I hardly for example would find spiders any scary and stressfull, but other people do and any encounter with a spider could eventually turn into a traumatic event for them. So what August / Pinocchio experienced when coming into our mundane world might not look traumatic to us but very well could have been traumatic for him. Not saying it was, just saying, we have to see it from the point of view of the person affected. And the same goes for Bae the other way around: what looks like a very traumatic experience to us might have been not as traumatic for him.
What we do agree about is, that it doesn’t necessarily take any kind of magic to make Bae not remember or wanting to not remember his past, right?
And I think, Bae was a very smart kid with some self-esteem, different from Pinocchio / August. So I picture im as more likely to first observe before talking in such a strange, foreign place as our world. After all, he knew the bean was meant to send him to a world without magic), so he could very well have been smart enough to assume, that he better keep that part of his life to himself, and just tell a story of his father abandoning him without any hint of magic or even of other realms / worlds existing.
And if Bae is Neal, I somewhat doubt, that without some memory of his past whatever was in August’s box could have been convincing enough to make him believe in what August was going to tell him, and make him leave Emma. Something that speaks in my opinion less for any kind of amnesia nor for repressed memories. Although possible he remembered only another part of his past (like being in Neverland, if he had been there), but at least something that made him believe a story of magic and a curse which has to be broken as a real story.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Isn’t Neverland meant to make you forget about home so that you never want to leave? Neverland wouldn’t have made Hook forget about his revenge.
Where are the Peter Pan experts when we need one? 😛
From what I remember, or as I remember (digging in my memory, too lazy to read up on it 😆 ), would say it was more, that the kids in Neverland don’t care to remember, they stay in the here and now, past and future are of no importance, it was not Neverland making them forget but would say it offered to be oblivious. Time works differently in Neverland, hundred of years in other worlds, our world might have gone by, but in Neverland it feels maybe like just a year (has nothing to do with not aging, that is something Neverland additionally seem to do for many there, but it’s about time perception)[adrotate group="5"]¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯
Supposedly, Peter Pan forgot things so that he could remain a boy….remembering life experiences is what makes you grow up…..once he did start to grow up, he eventually forgot Neverland.
So, it wasn’t Neverland that made him forget
I did have a theory a while ago that Henry’s father (Neal) was Bae’s son. Now I’m not so sure. It would be convenient for Neal to be Bae and a lot easier.
The only two things I have against Neal being Bae are:
Bae is supposed to be at least 14 years older than Emma plus the 28 years of the curse. That should make him at least 42 or older. Neal definitely isn’t 42.
Bae went through the portal centuries before the main events of fairytale land. Even factoring in there is a time difference between fairytale land and our world. What was he doing in the portal to take so long from going in and coming out?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixMaybe Bae is not 42, but 35.
In fairytales 7 is a magic number. (7 dwarfs, 7 brothers,7 swans, 7 mountains…)
When Milha is leaving for Hook, Bae could be 7, when he have to go to war 14 ( so 7 years later). So maybe the course bring us 7 years before Baelfire comes here.and the time difference between Emma and him would be 7.
Michael James Raymond is 35 years old. 😀Heros don't get their Happy Ending!
Using a bit of clues, you can figure out that Neal is 32. The writers have said that the show takes place in 2009. The wanted poster in Tallahassee has his birth date listed as 1977.
About his age not matching up with when everyone else came through the portal; keep in mind that in the return, when Archie asked about the age of Rumple’s son, he said “let’s move on to something a bit easier.” That tells me that, even Rumple wasn’t sure exactly when it the curse would spit them out in relation to Bae.
I think that maybe Rumple used something of Bae’s (a hair maybe) to anchor the curse to a time when Bae would be alive but couldn’t’ be more specific than that.
@Tera_rose, i do like your idea about the number 7. Although my explanation kind of shot a hole into that, I did find another connection by that logic. If Neal was 21 when Tallahassee happened, he would have been in this world for 7 years.
@Faux Pax wrote:
The writers have said that the show takes place in 2009.
Where did they say that?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix@Faux Pax wrote:
I heard it in one of the podcast. I wish i had an actual link.
that’s right Faux Pax. I keep having these senior moments and forgetting about that. It was shown in Archie’s notebook in the Untold Stories Game on FB OUAT.
Re: the podcast. Was it the official K&H podcast on Itunes?
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@The Fairest wrote:
Has anyone seen the photograph of Dylan Schmid hanging in the background of one of Neal and Emma’s scenes in “Tallahassee?” Ever since I saw that photo, that has been my confirmation that Neal is in fact Baelfire.
Here is the link to post that has the pictures you are talking about. It just makes me smile when I think about how clever these writers are.
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=2004&hilit=huge+clue#p24995
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