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I believe Bae is Peter, and that maybe if they are going to even portray him as self centered they would have reason to do so, the easy reason i can see him as Peter is even though I believe the blue fairy was right and it took him to a land without magic, I believe he would have tried to get back and stumbled upon Neverland and decided to stay there and never grow up. Remember what hook said about the lost boys being abandoned in episode six, Bae would fit the bill. Also sets up reason for the reason Peter hates hook and vice versa because they both can feel like the other was reason they lost Milah
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The writers have said that Peter Pan will not appear this season. If Neal is Bae and Bae was Peter then I would have thought that their answer would have been more vague rather than a definitive no.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’ve been trying think of who Baelfire might be if he is not Peter Pan and one possibility I’ve come up with is the Sorcerer’s Apprentice. My family watched Disney’s 2010 Sorcerer’s Apprentice today and I really noticed how many things (alot) in it could tie in with Once Upon a Time.
What if Baelfire has magic, like Emma, but because of his father he wants nothing to do with it. I noticed some real similarities in the movie with Neal Cassidy. Neal lives in a building on the corner of Grand and Mulberry St. which is part of the infamous Canal St. area…Dave (the sorcerer’s apprentice) lives at Canal St. Although Neal lives across the street from an italian restaurant he is in China town…Dave also is right by China town. There are a lot of subway connections between the two movies. Dave is a student at NYU and my new theory is that Neal is taking a film class at NYU.
It could make for some interesting stories if Rumple’s son, who hates magic, ends up having magic. In the Sorcerer’s Apprentice there is the scene where the mops go crazy with the cleaning and the water…which made me think of the sign in Neal’s apartment, “Cleaner & Hatter.” What if “cleaner” refer’s to the mop thing…and Hatter refers to the magic hat that magicians use.
Bae didn’t seem to mind using magic to get what he wanted.
Rumple used magic to save his son…in the end, Bae was willing to use magic to save his father.
The apple doen’t fall far from the tree.
They both used magic with good intentions, however, all magic comes with a price.Loved The Sorcerer’s Apprentice! Jay Baruchel (Dave) is a Canadian actor who starred in a family series with my daughter’s best friend back in the late 1990’s. Happy to see him come up in the ranks.
As much as I like the movie, I can’t see any tie ins to Neal. Plus, they’ve already shown us in 2×05, The Doctor, that the Sorcerer’s Apprentice was young Reggie.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Loved The Sorcerer’s Apprentice! Jay Baruchel (Dave) is a Canadian actor who starred in a family series with my daughter’s best friend back in the late 1990’s. Happy to see him come up in the ranks.
As much as I like the movie, I can’t see any tie ins to Neal. Plus, they’ve already shown us in 2×05, The Doctor, that the Sorcerer’s Apprentice was young Reggie.
you just gotta love Jay Baruchel and popular mechanics for kids. but his more recent canadian stuff is also pretty cool (The trotsky and Good Neighbors)
and just because she was an apprentice to a sorcerer does not mean she was THE apprentice.
I don’t think Bae hates magic but I can see him being reluctant to use it especially since it turned Rumple into the dark one and caused them to be split up.
With all the parallels of magic being an addiction, I wonder if they’ll do a story arc of Emma getting hooked on magic. At the moment she has magic but doesn’t really know how to use it. Once she learns how to use it perhaps she’ll start using more and more.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix@Marilou wrote:
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Loved The Sorcerer’s Apprentice! Jay Baruchel (Dave) is a Canadian actor who starred in a family series with my daughter’s best friend back in the late 1990’s. Happy to see him come up in the ranks.
As much as I like the movie, I can’t see any tie ins to Neal. Plus, they’ve already shown us in 2×05, The Doctor, that the Sorcerer’s Apprentice was young Reggie.
you just gotta love Jay Baruchel and popular mechanics for kids. but his more recent canadian stuff is also pretty cool (The trotsky and Good Neighbors) and just because she was an apprentice to a sorcerer does not mean she was THE apprentice.
Jay was also great in Goon! That movie was quite funny. The series I was referring was My Hometown.
I’m fairly certain that they made a point of letting us know that Reggie was not only the sorcerer’s apprentice but also Rumple’s Frankenstein monster. A few things stand out about 2×05, The Doctor. Rumple calls Reggie his apprentice when he says “excellent work my apprentice”. Rumple goes even further by stating to Dr. Frankenstein “thanks to your efforts, I’ve made my monster.”
So we have Reggie as both the Frankenstein monster and the sorcerer’s apprentice.
Both these stories originated in old German Folklore. Sorcerer’s Apprentice in German is “Der Zauberlehrling”. Disney’s sorcerer’s apprentice came from the German poem “Der Zauberlehrling” by Goethe. It is quite often compared to Frankenstein in that an inanimate object comes to life. Note that David Anders tweeted a clue about his character as being “fully inanimate”.
Another German book, called “Der Zauberlehrling”, by Hanns Heinz Ewers, was the first in a trilogy. It was inspired by Goethe’s poem of the same name. The second book, called Alraune, was based on the Frankenstein myth and was about a female Frankenstein type monster (Rumple’s female monster Reggie).
So, in my mind, I think Kitsis and Horowitz made it clear that we were looking at both Frankenstein and The Sorcerer’s Apprentice throughout the episode. They would have studied both writers while in university. Love how they brought both together, in true original literate form, during that episode.
From my personal view, I can’t see them revisiting it again once they’ve already established it in a character. It’s like having another Beast or Crocodile.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
I’m fairly certain that they made a point of letting us know that Reggie was not only the sorcerer’s apprentice but also Rumple’s Frankenstein monster. A few things stand out about 2×05, The Doctor. Rumple calls Reggie his apprentice when he says “excellent work my apprentice”. Rumple goes even further by stating to Dr. Frankenstein “thanks to your efforts, I’ve made my monster.”
So we have Reggie as both the Frankenstein monster and the sorcerer’s apprentice.
Both these stories originated in old German Folklore. Sorcerer’s Apprentice in German is “Der Zauberlehrling”. Disney’s sorcerer’s apprentice came from the German poem “Der Zauberlehrling” by Goethe. It is quite often compared to Frankenstein in that an inanimate object comes to life. Note that David Anders tweeted a clue about his character as being “fully inanimate”.
*Puts on her academic cap and looks over the rim over her glasses*
That the novel ‘Frankenstein, The Modern Prometheus’ by Mary Shelley or the poem ‘Der Zauberlehrling’ (The Sorcerer’s Apprentice) by Goethe originate in old German folklore is rather new to me. I know there is the rumour, that Shelley visited castle Frankenstein near Darmstadt and on the way heard stories from locals about Johann Konrad Dippel, a German theologian, alchemist and physician, but that is unproven and more likely the product of some creative minds (can offer you an interesting article in German about the making of the myth of castle Frankenstein as inspiration and place for Shelley’s Frankenstein). More than obvious is the inspiration by the myth of Prometheus. And it is said, that Goethe might have been inspired by a novel of an ancient greek author, Lucian. But I’m always open to learn, so I’m wondering what your source is.
Goethe’s poem and Shelly’s story show resemblance, seeing that in both someone conjures powers they can’t control, as there are resemblances to the jewish folklore of a golem and to Goethe’s Faust, in which the former student of Doctor Faust, Wagner, creates an homonculus. Would say the resemblance to Goethe’s drama Faust are stronger than to the poem, but that is my opinion. Not sure if the writers thought of both when writing 2×05, but very well one can feel reminded of them watching the episode.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Another German book, called “Der Zauberlehrling”, by Hanns Heinz Ewers, was the first in a trilogy. It was inspired by Goethe’s poem of the same name. The second book, called Alraune, was based on the Frankenstein myth and was about a female Frankenstein type monster (Rumple’s female monster Reggie).
I am surprised someone on this board has heard of the works of Hanns Heinz Ewers. It’s hard to get the horror triology you mentioned as books, has become only easier now as ebook. Ewers has a bit of a bad reputation, not just because of his somewhat difficult (political) views, but as well because of his work, his horror novels were quite graphic.
*puts down cap and glasses*
Okay, where were we … Baelfire liking or not liking magic, using or not using magic, having or not having magic. Or something.
Can’t see a connection of Baelfire to the Sorcerer’s Apprentice. That would imply in my opinion, that Bae would try or tried to use magic to satisfy whatever wish or need he had or has, while overestimating himself. Now you could argue, he did so with the bean, but it’s not like it couldn’t have worked well, his father, Rumple was the one to shrink back, that was not Bae’s fault, no overestimating of his powers here. If anything he made the fault to trust the wrong people (if you like, the Blue Fairy, but more thinking of his father here).
What I see neither is Bae having magic like Emma – how so? Doubt he was a child of true love.
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What I see neither is Bae having magic like Emma – how so? Doubt he was a child of true love.
But what about Henry? If Neal is Bae and if he is Emma’s true love, then couldn’t that mean he has his own kind of magic? And if we consider the fact that Emma is the end of the curse, but Bae was the beginning, then it could have interesting implications for just what kind of magic he has.
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