Baelfire

[tiara_rose]

Regina already suggested that she would teach him to use magic.

[fairy dust]

@Faux Pax wrote:

What I see neither is Bae having magic like Emma – how so? Doubt he was a child of true love.

But what about Henry? If Neal is Bae and if he is Emma’s true love, then couldn’t that mean he has his own kind of magic? And if we consider the fact that Emma is the end of the curse, but Bae was the beginning, then it could have interesting implications for just what kind of magic he has.

That is a really good observation…and I love the part about Bae is the beginning of the curse and Emma is the end of it. It sure looks like that could mean that Henry is extra special.

[faux pax]

Maybe that means that if he learns magic, he could be the one to restore FTL. Just a thought and I always did hope he had a bigger role then just as guide to the savior. After all isn’t “tired of reading about heroes?” Sounds to me like they’re setting him up to be a hero in his own right…once he grows up a bit

[tiara_rose]

Henry “the Homeruler”. So maybe he will be the ruler of Storybrook. A new land, between ET and the land without magic. I am not quite sure that everybody from Storybrook will want to go back. Now it is also different. ET is not the same and for 28 years they lived another live. Like David said “We are both”. Maybe in the End of the series Storybrook will be like a bridge of two lands.

Regina – definitely not
Emma – not again
Neal – not even he is Bealfire
Rumpel – I think no, because he want to be by his son, but maybe he return for Belle
Belle .- do not know
David – I think he wants to go to ET, but he for sure don’t wants to leave Emma and Henry
The seven dwarfs exept Grumpy will want to go back
The fairies exept Nora want to go back
Nora and Grumpy will want to be here, because in ST they are Humans and can be together
Jefferson – Do not know, after the curse is broken. It depends on Paige/Hope
August- He love Thailand
Cindarella and Thomas want to go back, but it will not be the same

Heros don't get their Happy Ending!

[PriceofMagic]

I don’t think Belle would want to go back to enchanted forest. In Skin Deep she told Rumple that there weren’t many opportunities for women in the enchanted forest. In Storybrooke, Belle has her own independence. In enchanted forest, had Rumple not come along, Belle would’ve been married to Gaston even though she didn’t love him.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[marilou]

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think Belle would want to go back to enchanted forest. In Skin Deep she told Rumple that there weren’t many opportunities for women in the enchanted forest. In Storybrooke, Belle has her own independence. In enchanted forest, had Rumple not come along, Belle would’ve been married to Gaston even though she didn’t love him.

the people of fairytale land have been in our world for quite some time now. If a big puff of green smoke somehow brings everyone back to Ftl I don’t think the women will go back to walking three steps behind their husbands and what not.

[PriceofMagic]

I still think some characters would want things to go back to how they used to be.

Also our world has indoor plumbing, electricity and medical care.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[vampirefan12]

When Colin was casted as Captain Hook, I really hoped he was going to be Baelfire but after the episode The Crocodile, I guess that theory is over.

[TheGoldenKey]

@myril wrote:

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

I’m fairly certain that they made a point of letting us know that Reggie was not only the sorcerer’s apprentice but also Rumple’s Frankenstein monster. A few things stand out about 2×05, The Doctor. Rumple calls Reggie his apprentice when he says “excellent work my apprentice”. Rumple goes even further by stating to Dr. Frankenstein “thanks to your efforts, I’ve made my monster.”

So we have Reggie as both the Frankenstein monster and the sorcerer’s apprentice.

Both these stories originated in old German Folklore. Sorcerer’s Apprentice in German is “Der Zauberlehrling”. Disney’s sorcerer’s apprentice came from the German poem “Der Zauberlehrling” by Goethe. It is quite often compared to Frankenstein in that an inanimate object comes to life. Note that David Anders tweeted a clue about his character as being “fully inanimate”.

*Puts on her academic cap and looks over the rim over her glasses*

That the novel ‘Frankenstein, The Modern Prometheus’ by Mary Shelley or the poem ‘Der Zauberlehrling’ (The Sorcerer’s Apprentice) by Goethe originate in old German folklore is rather new to me. I know there is the rumour, that Shelley visited castle Frankenstein near Darmstadt and on the way heard stories from locals about Johann Konrad Dippel, a German theologian, alchemist and physician, but that is unproven and more likely the product of some creative minds (can offer you an interesting article in German about the making of the myth of castle Frankenstein as inspiration and place for Shelley’s Frankenstein). More than obvious is the inspiration by the myth of Prometheus. And it is said, that Goethe might have been inspired by a novel of an ancient greek author, Lucian. But I’m always open to learn, so I’m wondering what your source is.

Goethe’s poem and Shelly’s story show resemblance, seeing that in both someone conjures powers they can’t control, as there are resemblances to the jewish folklore of a golem and to Goethe’s Faust, in which the former student of Doctor Faust, Wagner, creates an homonculus. Would say the resemblance to Goethe’s drama Faust are stronger than to the poem, but that is my opinion. Not sure if the writers thought of both when writing 2×05, but very well one can feel reminded of them watching the episode.

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Another German book, called “Der Zauberlehrling”, by Hanns Heinz Ewers, was the first in a trilogy. It was inspired by Goethe’s poem of the same name. The second book, called Alraune, was based on the Frankenstein myth and was about a female Frankenstein type monster (Rumple’s female monster Reggie).

I am surprised someone on this board has heard of the works of Hanns Heinz Ewers. It’s hard to get the horror triology you mentioned as books, has become only easier now as ebook. Ewers has a bit of a bad reputation, not just because of his somewhat difficult (political) views, but as well because of his work, his horror novels were quite graphic.

Hi Myril 🙂 When I was doing some digging for clues and information on Dr. Whale’s identity, I came across this. Have to say how amazed I was with it all. Hadn’t read about Ewers or Goethe up to that point.

When I say old German folklore, yes, I am referring to Castle Frankenstein which was built in 1200’s. While it hasn’t been proven that Shelley did indeed use this or stories about Dippel for inspiration, it is a known fact that she did take a tour, along the Rhine River, and spent some time in the town of Gernsheim, which is located within miles of the castle. Add to this her passion and inspiration for Goethe (Sorrows of Young Werter and Faust) I’m of the opinion that she knowingly used the castle and Dippel as an inspiration to the novel.

This is how I also stumbled upon Ewers and his works. The fact that his first book was titled The Sorcerer’s Apprentice (bringing us back to Goethe) and that it was inspired by Goethe’s poem of the same name was surprising. Imagine how even more surprised I was at finding that his 2nd book in the trilogy was based on a female Frankenstein. The connections between all of this and the storyline for the episode The Doctor, showing both Frankenstein and The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, were outstanding! Important to note that while Goethe’s poem might have been inspired by Lucian’s works it was written in the early 1700’s and to the best of my knowledge is considered part of German folklore.

I am very impressed with your knowledge of literature Myril! 😀 Sure wish I had known you back when doing all the digging and research on Dr. Whale. I would have loved to have discussed some of this with you! 😀

Kitsis and Horowitz never cease to amaze me. We not only get a wonderful storyline and series, but if we are open and pay attention to all their clues, they take us on an educational journey that money just can’t buy! Love them!

Anyway, hope you had a wonderful Christmas and it was great chatting with you! All the best in the coming New Year and look forward to seeing you more. 😀 Cheers!

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[playarita]

I know there many far more intelligent and much better at writing then I am. So I was wondering what connections could be made from Neal Cassady to literature, movies etc. If anything has is a repeat then pardon I meant no disrespect more than anything I would like to know what are the thoughts etc.

I found this. It seemed the life seemed correlate greatly with the character. However I am sorry to say I have not read these particular works but I am going to attempt to. I was wondering if there might be any indication to who Neal might be.

Thank you.

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