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Why didn’t they de-age Neal back to Bae?
Because having your ex lover run around as a 14 yrold and try to be a father to a boy who is roughly the same age would be one of the dumbest storylines to date.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Why didn’t they de-age Neal back to Bae?
Because having your ex lover run around as a 14 yrold and try to be a father to a boy who is roughly the same age would be one of the dumbest storylines to date.
Kid 1: Hey! Whose the new kid!
Kid 2: Never seen him around!
Henry: Dude…that’s my dad!
Bae: Henry!!! What up! Did you do your homework last night like your mother and I told you too?
Kids: (Laughing)
Henry: Daaaaaaaaadd!!! (Face palms himself)
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Why didn’t they de-age Neal back to Bae?
Because having your ex lover run around as a 14 yrold and try to be a father to a boy who is roughly the same age would be one of the dumbest storylines to date.
Kid 1: Hey! Whose the new kid! Kid 2: Never seen him around! Henry: Dude…that’s my dad! Bae: Henry!!! What up! Did you do your homework last night like your mother and I told you too? Kids: (Laughing) Henry: Daaaaaaaaadd!!! (Face palms himself)
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Actually if he reverse to 14 years, would be probably like pinochio, he wont remenber Emma, henry and anyone, not even hook, he would probably think that his father followed him to the land with no magic, still very bad storyline, making Henry friend of his father without telling Bae, he was his son, would be very confusing, although since we have tasers that kill wood, and merging bodies, so at this point i would prefer this crazy redo age thing to that stupid way of dying. If we look at this, Bae was a especial character , was the only character that was inside his mother and father, step out Evil queen, dark one, savior, truest believer, we have the Merge One.
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I will post a question, maybe somebody will be able to explain, or that or @RG will say, dont bring logic or Plot.
The situation that happened on 315 was very diferent from 319. On the last we saw, Neal leaving his father body to send the message, but on 315 that didnt happened, was almost like Neal was the strong identity, and Rumple the weak. How was possible for Neal to walk on SB? is not like he left Rumple body like on 319, what triger him to become him again and absorve Rumple? ok, maybe this will be another plot hole in the middle of the 1000000 that the show has, still that was never explained, in fact, 315 sounded very rush compare to previous and next episodes, was like every scene was something happening to close Neal story to every character.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
Why didn’t they de-age Neal back to Bae?
Because having your ex lover run around as a 14 yrold and try to be a father to a boy who is roughly the same age would be one of the dumbest storylines to date.
Then the interesting question I’d like to ask this thread becomes would you rather Neal had died completely the way he did or have him live in a de-aged form? Strictly has to be one or the other, so nobody can just go “neither, have Neal continue to live the way he was”, because of course that would be the preferred answer. I mean for one with the de-aging route, he would technically still be alive, but would any of you rather it be a choice of either fully grown Neal or no Bae/Neal at all? Sounds like a tough choice, because both have their disadvantages.
Then the interesting question I’d like to ask this thread becomes would you rather Neal had died completely the way he did or have him live in a de-aged form? Strictly has to be one or the other, so nobody can just go “neither, have Neal continue to live the way he was”, because of course that would be the preferred answer. I mean for one with the de-aging route, he would technically still be alive, but would any of you rather it be a choice of either fully grown Neal or no Bae/Neal at all? Sounds like a tough choice, because both have their disadvantages.
If they did it the August route where August became Pinocchio: they deage him and he becomes strictly Bae. He wouldn’t have his memories of Emma or Henry. He looses the parts of Neal that makes him Nealfire (which are mainly Emma and Henry). Never in a hundred thousand years would I want him to forget that he is a good, kind, loving father.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"If he had his memories I would be…okay with that….. It would be a great oppurtunity for the young Bae actor to get in some great acting.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThen the interesting question I’d like to ask this thread becomes would you rather Neal had died completely the way he did or have him live in a de-aged form? Strictly has to be one or the other, so nobody can just go “neither, have Neal continue to live the way he was”, because of course that would be the preferred answer. I mean for one with the de-aging route, he would technically still be alive, but would any of you rather it be a choice of either fully grown Neal or no Bae/Neal at all? Sounds like a tough choice, because both have their disadvantages.
If they did it the August route where August became Pinocchio: they deage him and he becomes strictly Bae. He wouldn’t have his memories of Emma or Henry. He looses the parts of Neal that makes him Nealfire (which are mainly Emma and Henry). Never in a hundred thousand years would I want him to forget that he is a good, kind, loving father.
I get that, and that’s why I asked between the two choices only. Is that option actually worse than having him dead? That’s what I want to know.
I get that, and that’s why I asked between the two choices only. Is that option actually worse than having him dead? That’s what I want to know.
My answer is basically, yes that’s worse than having him dead. It would be horrible to sit and watch Henry and Emma try to connect with a 14 yr old boy who has no memories of them and doesn’t know what they once were.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Of course it was a betrayal, and both parties know it–as do the fans. Just because, for example, I am an ardent supporter of Nealfire doesn’t mean I don’t recognize that he really hurt Emma. The story is about coming back from that. But there is BETRAYAL and then there is betrayal. What Neal did was, ultimately, for the greater good. And it hurt Emma and it hurt Neal and it hurt Henry and it sucks. But he owned up to it, and she forgave him. He can justify it, but he doesn’t excuse the hurt he caused. He gave an actual apology. Snow and Charming don’t even apologize to Emma for sending her through the wardrobe, even though it was for the greater good.
There are people questioning if it can be called a betrayal. People have different definitions of betrayal, to some doing it out of (alleged) non-selfish reasons, with good reasons, because destiny has to unfold, because there is a greater good, means it can’t be called a betrayal. Well, I do call it betrayal, you RG do as well, regardless what good reasons someone might have had. To me it looks like some have a problem to forgive a person if they ever do something bad, at least it has to have a meaning, a purpose, otherwise no forgiveness. And I see that differently, I don’t exclude forgiveness even if someone committed a terrible crime. The true challenge of forgiving is not, to forgive what we can make to us in some way acceptable, but to forgive the unacceptable.
I have a general problem with anything being claimed to be destiny or for the greater good or whatever higher purpose and powers. So, no @TheWatcher , we are not on the same side here, but obviously I didn’t made my points clear. Emma felt the betrayal, was the victim of it, but I judge it as betrayal as well, Neal abandoned Emma and accepted the consequences of her being arrested and sentenced for possession of stolen property, he might not have called police, but he still listened to August and stayed away even when he knew she was arrested. Neal left Emma alone, guessing even she might not do as good as August probably made it sound like, facing some huge magical challenge, and he somehow convinced himself, it’s for her good, without ever giving Emma a chance to decide that for herself. We don’t know what August told Neal, maybe it included telling, if Neal stays he would take away from her any chance to meet her birth parents, to connect with them, because that I can picture as something Bae would feel for and identify with, but destiny, the greater good? That is what his father likes to blame for things happening, that means deflecting your own responsibilities for things happening when you clearly are responsible, that means trying to talk yourself out of a dilemma, that doing good for one side can often enough mean doing not good or bad for others. Being happy with Emma (and Henry) would have meant eventually to abandon the people in Storybrooke in their misery of a blurred existence. No, it wouldn’t have been selfish, because it was as well Emma’s happiness (and Henry’s, but he didn’t know that at that point), not just his own wishes. Was their no other way? Would Emma have been not open to help people? Did she needed to be tricked into it by leaving her totally in the dark about everything, her identity, her parents, her task? It might have been more of a challenge for Neal to convince Emma of fairy tales being real and she being the one to break the curse, but he listened to that notorious pretender and liar August and let Emma go through tough times so that eventually, hopefully, she would do the right thing for the people in Storybrooke in the right moment. Destiny is IMO a sorry excuse for hurting Emma, and I do hope that this was not the only reason Neal had for himself to listen to August and do what he suggested. I am giving Neal the benefit of doubt here, and I might be wrong about it, assuming he had a mix of reasons, a good one and others not so good ones, but if he accepted it as just something for the greater good, well, than he was a broken man. He probably was, but that doesn’t make him a hero or a good guy at that moment, he then was a broken man bowing to the excuse of destiny, giving into the demand that he has to shut up and stop asking questions, sit back and only hope for the best instead of actively trying for the best. He let himself and worse Emma be made passive puppets of whatever powers (people) where following their own agendas, there is nothing good or even heroic about that.
Claiming it was destiny or for the greater good makes me only lose respect for Neal. If he was bowing to that, if that was his main argument to abandon Emma, honestly, I think he lacks nearly as much spine as his father does. No, his father Rumple would have more spine even, because despite his drivel about destiny he still meddled with things and didn’t sit back just waiting and hoping.
Different though from others, even if he might have been so broken to use destiny as excuse, that doesn’t make it harder or impossible in my eyes to come back from that. He could have been a total jerk and coward at that moment, but if he truly meant what he said, recognized Emma’s suffering and that his decision was a big part of making her suffer, and wrong doing, if his apology had a meaning, then I say he still had some integrity or regained it. That is why I say it is not that important, that what Neal did was meant to happen or for any greater good, it is him taking responsibility for his doings and recognizing it had negative repercussions for Emma, regardless that in the end, over a decade later, things turned out more or less fine for her. His sincere apology is what redeems him in my eyes and was a step in making it possible, that he and Emma could have build a new relationship of whatever kind.
Problem is, most jerks never do that step, they stick to their selfishness or gutlessness, and whatever apology they utter, it is not a tiny bit recognizing the pain of the other only their pain to act bad, their suffering and desperation, it’s still all about them and their pain to have done whatever (tip to everyone: don’t drivel about your pain when apologizing to someone, it’s about them, not you, acknowledge their feelings and put your own on the backseat). Many had a problem with Neal being even considered to be still a proper fit for Emma, and I can understand them, it was easy to forget that scene on the beach in the penultimate episode of season 2 (which meany choose to forget). And the scene can be read differently, Neal talked a bit too much about himself, his pain, instead of simply admitting he caused Emma pain, it had some self-pity, but I nevertheless take that as sincere recognition that he did Emma wrong. I like to give people more than one second chance even (yup, I am such a fool like Snow, but different from her I count on being proven wrong most of the time, so prepare for the worst). I took Neal’s apology in the sum as sincere.
The biggest problem I had with what Neal did was, he never talked to Emma, as everybody else he denied her a chance to decide for herself.
For the record here: I do see a lack of recognition of Emma’s sufferings and pain on the side of particular her mother, on the side of Snow. It’s one of their major problems.
Honestly, a lot of people go into defensive if it comes to Neal and unnecessarily though. Well, unnecessarily so from my point of view, but I don’t believe in eternal damnation or the need of extended long trial to earn redemption. People have always reasons for what they do, if they’re good or bad is more often a judgement call then fact based reasoning, because they’re reasons for both sides (or more, if there are more), but people make a call to do one or the other thing. And we sometimes have a poor judgment, and we make mistakes. And sometimes it turns out it was despite all the pain worth it, and on the longer run what follows turns out fine. Or it happens, that we meant good and seemed to do the good, but it turns out to have bad repercussions despite what we hoped. The thing IMO is to accept we can mess up, we do mess up up, and not to try to sugercoat it with meaning or even the cozy feeling of some alleged greater good (greater good for who?). Everything we do has meaning, but not always is the meaning the one we would like it to have.
@WickedRegal No, not every Oncer hated Tamara, I didn’t, but one could question if I am still an Oncer anyway, so you still could be right with your assumption. I “only” disliked what they made of the character and the whole story at this point of the show. I was not the least bit emotional invested though in Tamara to have any feelings of hate for the character, nor did I care enough about Neal.Then the interesting question I’d like to ask this thread becomes would you rather Neal had died completely the way he did or have him live in a de-aged form? Strictly has to be one or the other, so nobody can just go “neither, have Neal continue to live the way he was”, because of course that would be the preferred answer. I mean for one with the de-aging route, he would technically still be alive, but would any of you rather it be a choice of either fully grown Neal or no Bae/Neal at all? Sounds like a tough choice, because both have their disadvantages.
As being one who is fine with Neal being dead, story telling wise I’d say it would be worse, I can’t imagine a story version making it the better option.
Ethically though: It’s never wrong to safe a live.
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