Baelfire

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@Dorothy wrote:

Watch-his first name is probably going to be something silly, like Rufus.

OMG!!!!! 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

I’d be beyond pissed if it something as crazy as that. But we should be used to it by now. His real name is even stranger than that one. 😆

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Nice to know i’m not the only one obsessed with the Bae as the baby daddy theory. The one good thing about a show having such an active fan base is that just because some people have guessed the truth (assuming of course that it is the truth) is that they don’t need change it. Right now everyone within a certain age range and with the correct parts has been thought of as Henry’s dad and that will continue until the truth is revealed. The beauty of it all is that SOMEONE had got to be right.

Here’s why I think we are:

Besides all the evidence that has already been floating around, there is just too much potential there from a story telling point of view.

Think about it, especially when you remember that it was Gold that got Henry for Regina in the first place. Now i can totally see Gold knowing that he was Emma’s kid and using that as a way to “aim the missile” at Regina. But there’s no way he could know about Henry being Bae’s kid. If he did then I really don’t think he would have put Henry with her, not when he knew what she did to Henry Sr. Now image Gold’s reaction at the news. If the writers play it right that episode could be as juicy as Skin Deep. Now Image Bae’s reaction when he finds all this out, just when Bae and Rumple were starting to work things out.

It’s just too good of an opportunity for them to pass up (and if they do, they better find a way to top how everything seems destined to play out as it is).

A couple other things I wanted to mention about Bae outside of that theory:

I think the reunion between Bae and Rumple is going to be especially bad given the events of 1×22. Think about it: Bae ran away from FTL in an attempt to get away from magic, and what did Rumple do to find him? Bring magic here. Yeah. That’s going to cause some tension.

And honestly, I don’t like the idea of him being a firefighter. The connection between the occupation and the name sounds a little flimsy and Emma could have been making it all up just to avoid telling Henry the truth (whatever it is). I see him as going into the Military as a form of rebellion against his dad.

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@Faux Pax wrote:

Besides all the evidence that has already been floating around, there is just too much potential there from a story telling point of view.

I agree from a story-telling standpoint I don’t think it has as much impact if Emma’s baby daddy turns out to be some stranger that doesn’t have any connection to Storybrooke and the Enchanted Forest since we’ve only been in the “real world” very, very briefly in the pilot and in “The Stranger”.

I think the reunion between Bae and Rumple is going to be especially bad given the events of 1×22. Think about it: Bae ran away from FTL in an attempt to get away from magic, and what did Rumple do to find him? Bring magic here. Yeah. That’s going to cause some tension.

Definitely. I think the real reunion between Bae and Rumple will be totally different than the fake reunion that August and Rumple had, and that Bae might not even be able to totally forgive Rumple until very close to the end of the show or perhaps even the last show especially once he finds out that Rumple didn’t give up his powers but used his powers to reunite with Bae which is exactly what Bae wouldn’t have wanted him to do.

And honestly, I don’t like the idea of him being a firefighter. The connection between the occupation and the name sounds a little flimsy and Emma could have been making it all up just to avoid telling Henry the truth (whatever it is). I see him as going into the Military as a form of rebellion against his dad.

Yes, I think she just made it up because the fire that Rumple started that she saved Regina from was still fresh in her mind. Plus, she had the added bonus of being able to tell Henry that his dad was a hero, but that he died that way Henry wouldn’t ask any more questions about him. It also acts as a hint to the identity of Henry’s daddy being Baelfire.

It would be ironic if he went into the military as a way to rebel against his dad since the reason his dad became the Dark One in the first place was to save Bae from having to fight in the war. Plus, the military or being involved in a life of crime seem like the two best choices, imo, for someone who came here when they were 14 and probably has limited knowledge about this world. (Although I guess it’s possible that maybe going through the wormhole gave Bae special knowledge and/or power.)

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[quoteBae might not even be able to totally forgive Rumple until very close to the end of the show or perhaps even the last show especially once he finds out that Rumple didn’t give up his powers but used his powers to reunite with Bae which is exactly what Bae wouldn’t have wanted him to do. ][/quote]

Now think about what would happen if he ever finds out details of just what had to happen for the dark curse to take effect. All the first born Rumple has taken from their families, Henry Sr, death (it may not have been Rumple who pulled his heart out, but he did die because of Rumple’s curse. If Bae has managed to keep the same sense of compassion he had as a kid, Rumple may never be able to atone even if he did want to try.

[midnight dreary]

^That all depends on Baelfire’s mental state when we meet him again. After everything he’s suffered through, he may have desolved into madness himself. Evil breeds evil. Many children of horrible parents turn out to be horrible themselves. 😥

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That’s possible given what Emma said about Henry’s dad, but i would hate to see it. We saw rumple as the Dark one before we ever got so see him as the town coward, but with Bae he was the kind boy before anything else. Having him be evil would kill me. It would almost be as bad as Henry going darkside IMHO.

[midnight dreary]

@Faux Pax wrote:

That’s possible given what Emma said about Henry’s dad, but i would hate to see it. We saw rumple as the Dark one before we ever got so see him as the town coward, but with Bae he was the kind boy before anything else. Having him be evil would kill me. It would almost be as bad as Henry going darkside IMHO.

I agree. It would be heartbreaking. 🙁 That’s why a part of me hopes that Bae is still the same 14 year old boy that we saw in “Desperate Souls” and “The Return.” I’d like for his innocence to be preserved.

[Josephine]

I think that Baelfire will not be the innocent nice kid we all remember. He’s had too much happen in his life…his mother abandoned him (we suspect), his father because the Dark One and brutally killed and when a solution came he abandoned him, too. Kid’s got problems. But I don’t think he’s going to be evil. At least I hope not.

If he is Henry’s father and was involved with Emma, I could see them being attracted to one another and kindred spirits, if only for a short time. Both have probably have abandonment issues, probably feel unlovable, among a host of many other things. We don’t know how old Bae would be, but Emma was a teenager and never told him about the baby, then got arrested, so I can see her really being messed up. She sees his being an a**hole because of her past experiences. He’s probably really messed up, too. Plus, with both being from FTL I can see them having an unexplained attraction to each other.

I do think, though, that he’s working with August. Until this theory is totally debunked, I’m sticking by it. I don’t think August got all of his information from the Blue Fairy/Mother Superior. I just get the feeling that Bae’s and August’s paths have crossed. Don’t know if it was in Phuket or somewhere else along his travels, but something has happened between them, I can feel it in my bones. Although my bones may be lying to me. 😆

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

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I agree compleatly and that idea about him working with August is an interesting one but i kind of hope it’s not true. Bae having some clue about what’s going on would have to lessen the shock of finding out what his dad has been up to since he left and that would take out a lot of the drama.

And it just seemed to me (and i haven’t watched the epp in a while so correct me if i’m wrong) that August just knew about the dagger. It was Rumple who assumed the he was Bae and he just went along with it as an opportunity not to get killed when the plot didn’t work.

If he is Henry’s father, i have an idea of what may have happened between him in Emma. I think that at the time he was married and perhaps about to separate when he met Emma. They date and do other things and then his wife turns up pregnant or really sick or something and he goes back to her because you don’t abandon family, not when they need you like that. All Emma saw of the situation was that he left his pregnant/sick wife and turned her into the other woman.

Another thing I would be interested to see is Bae’s relationship with Bell. Now don’t get me worng, i’m not talking about romantic here. But she is, in effect (even if it’s not offical) his step-mother. They are the only two who would be in Rumple’s corner trying to get him to cure himsef of his power trip. AND, depending on how old he is in realtion to Emma, Bell is the same age or younger than him. It would be an interesting dynamic to explore.

I can totally see them ploting together and Emma thinking they were going out or something and jumping down Bae’s throate about it. 😆

One thing i am interested in seeing is how Henry would react to all this, assuming Bae is his daddy. It would be interesting to see the Henry/Bae/Rumple dynamic and how Emma tries to keep him away from them (she rightfully doesn’t trust Gold and there has to be some anamostiy between her and Bae given the way she talked about him and the fact that she never told him her eggo was preggo).

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@Josephine wrote:

I think that Baelfire will not be the innocent nice kid we all remember. He’s had too much happen in his life…his mother abandoned him (we suspect), his father because the Dark One and brutally killed and when a solution came he abandoned him, too. Kid’s got problems. But I don’t think he’s going to be evil. At least I hope not.

I’m hoping that he’s going to end up being Emma’s true love since Henry is a product of their brief time together before. I do worry though that he could turn out to be the Big Bad or one of the Big Bads later on since I’m sure he has tons of issues and he might want to take revenge on his father.

If he is Henry’s father and was involved with Emma, I could see them being attracted to one another and kindred spirits, if only for a short time. Both have probably have abandonment issues, probably feel unlovable, among a host of many other things. We don’t know how old Bae would be, but Emma was a teenager and never told him about the baby, then got arrested, so I can see her really being messed up. She sees his being an a**hole because of her past experiences. He’s probably really messed up, too. Plus, with both being from FTL I can see them having an unexplained attraction to each other.

That’s what I think happened too. I’m just sort of worried about the 14 year old age difference though, and hope that it’s not quite that large whenever we finally learn more about where Baelfire is and what happened to him. Right now since Emma will be 29 in the second season, so it doesn’t seem too bad if Baelfire is 43, but if they do flashbacks of how their backstory, having a 31 year old man getting together with a barely legal 17-18 year old seems sort of skeevy. In the Enchanted Forest, I don’t think it would have mattered, but present day on Earth, I’m worried about how they’ll be able to write it and have people be invested in their relationship, assuming that Bae is Emma’s true love, and not have people dismissing it right away because of what ages they might have been when they first met.

I do think, though, that he’s working with August. Until this theory is totally debunked, I’m sticking by it. I don’t think August got all of his information from the Blue Fairy/Mother Superior. I just get the feeling that Bae’s and August’s paths have crossed. Don’t know if it was in Phuket or somewhere else along his travels, but something has happened between them, I can feel it in my bones. Although my bones may be lying to me. 😆

I’m sticking with this theory until it’s debunked too. At first, I thought he did get the information from the Blue Fairy, but I think the “a little fairy told me” was total misdirection as was his meeting with the Blue Fairy where it seemed like they were in on the plan together. As suspicious as she still seems, I don’t believe that she retained her memories since there’s been no real hint at all that she had two sets of memories like Rumple, Regina, and Jefferson, and since everyone now has their memories, I think if she were like those 3 characters that remembered before everyone else did, there would have been something concrete before to let the viewers know. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t have an agenda, but I don’t believe that she remembered before the season finale.

So if it wasn’t her that told August all about the dagger and what to call Rumple to make him think he was Baelfire, I think the only other person it could have been was Baelfire. I think Bae probably did some research after his relationship with Emma and found out about August that way and then tracked him down.

One thing i am interested in seeing is how Henry would react to all this, assuming Bae is his daddy. It would be interesting to see the Henry/Bae/Rumple dynamic and how Emma tries to keep him away from them (she rightfully doesn’t trust Gold and there has to be some anamostiy between her and Bae given the way she talked about him and the fact that she never told him her eggo was preggo).

Yes, I wonder if he’ll be upset that Emma lied. He seems too mature for that especially if she explains that she was trying to protect him from finding out what a jerk his dad was, at least from her point of view. However, from most other entertainment sources where one parent has lied to his/her child about the other parent being dead, it always seems to backfire on the lying parent, and the child resents that parent for it, at least initially.

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