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@Vampirefan12 wrote:
There is a loving relationship between Milah and Rum. Rum’s relationship with Milah is described as “sweet, fun” and more open in contrast to his relationship with Belle. He leaves for battle not knowing that Milah is pregnant. We will see how their relationship changed so profoundly.
We know this just by looking at the promo pics. I’m a major Rumbeller, but I’m glad Rumple had some happy times in his life. He doesn’t need to be miserable his life long just so people will think his love is true to Belle. Although, I’m still not a Milah fan because she did end up becoming bitter and resentful enough towards him to leave and abandon her son. I don’t even care if she’d just have left Rumple. Couples grow apart, but the Bae thing really bothers me. Not even that she left Bae. Not all women are meant for motherhood, but she left him in the most cowardly way imaginable. Ironic that she keeps calling Rumple this, but in the end she was one too because she didn’t face her child or husband that she wanted to leave.
I had a nightmare this morning. Well, it wasn’t a nightmare, but Milah wasn’t dead and in present day Storybrooke and Gold was thinking about taking her back despite all she did. Mr. Gold in my dream reminded me more of pre-curse Rumple than who he is now, but he still had the suits and power. For some reason, he just turned to putty every time she came around. Half the dream is fuzzy, but I do remember getting the feeling she only wanted Rumple back because in this world he was rich and powerful. I do remember that Gold felt he owed it to her to get back together because she was his wife and Bae’s mother. Meanwhile, Belle was still there. I think she was still without her memory. He was conflicted because he really loved Belle but felt he should be with Milah and that it would be easier because she didn’t remember him anyway. But I also remember Belle being in the same room with Gold and having a really hurt look on her face. Strange dream.
At least this dream was show-related. Last Rumple dream I had, he was the Dark One persona and terrorizing Walgreens while I was trying to hide and stare at him at the same time. Weird thing was that last night I was thinking about SwanTheif and up pops Rumple and Milah in my dreams.
As for the dagger, I never dreamed he’d take it. Like it was said, it would never pass airport inspection. Joking aside, I do think Cora wants to control him, not necessarily kill him. We’ve never seen Dark One Rumple controlled by anyone. He’s always been in possession of his own dagger…unless you’re reading Rumbelle fanfics, but that’s a way different type of control I can’t talk about here. 😎
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@oceangypsy wrote:
I am so curious now. What could it be? I thought Jane Espenson said it was an item that was tweeted to her. So I think it has to be something we’ve seen before. Some of the clues she said a long time ago were that it was “shiny” and “red” and something else.
Maybe it’s a magic heart?
… maybe it’s Cora’s heart? (haha I doubt that, but she did say she had it somewhere that no one could find it — another world would certainly be somewhere it would never be found) But, going with this idea, isn’t the actress who plays “Tamara” going to be in 2×15 (“The Queen is Dead”) and 2×18 (“Selfless, Brave, and True”)? Maybe she was sent by Cora into “the land without magic” with Cora’s heart in tow. In which case, that could explain how August got it. In which case, I have no idea where it is now. Or why.
Shiny and red also fits “ruby slippers.” Maybe Nealfire really likes women’s fashion, haha!
They are supposed to do The Wizard of Oz sometime, but I’m not sure if ruby slippers would mean anything to Neal unless they did something magical in the box. So since a picture of a dagger has been ruled out, I’ll go with it being a heart, maybe even Cora’s heart, because of the “shiny” and “red” clues. Plus, he does have that picture of a heart on his wall; although, I thought that was more of a clue of Rumple being his father, and Rumple being the first character, chronologically,, well from what we’ve seen, of the pulling someone’s heart out of his/her chest magic. I don’t know how she would have got it here, but it would definitely qualify as a bombshell that fans haven’t really guessed if Cora’s heart was what was in the box.
Maybe it will only be a secret that Neal and Emma know about in the episode so eventually by the end of the season, working together with Snowing, Rumple, and Regina, someone will have put together how to destroy Cora for good. I agree with Phee’s theory that Regina will likely be the person to destroy Cora’s heart as an inverse of Regina killing her father and enacting the Curse.
I’m thinking Rumple since he tricked Regina into the Dark Curse in the first place…it may have been the reason Cora wouldn’t let Regina leave all those years…she was afraid Rumple would get to her. Then again they might be pointing to Snow (going back to the shows roots). I don’t know how that works in with the betrayal thing unless Cora reveals to Regina the reason the Dark Curse was really cast… She thought Rumple was helping her…but if he arranged all the things in her life that led to all the bad in her life…like Snow and the runaway horse that led to Daniels eventual death…she would see that as betrayal.
Oh, that’s not very exciting because as viewers we already guessed that Regina or Cora was the Miller’s daughter and that Rumple had been trying to find the right couple to create the Savior and the right person to enact the Curse, but while I don’t think Regina has ever thought of Rumple as being her friend, she probably isn’t aware that she was just a pawn like everyone else.
This probably is why in the next two episodes following “Manhattan”, Cora’s back story we’ll be featured. It also makes it even more difficult for Regina to help destroy her mother and help out the Charmings, Rumple, and his son Nealfire, who is the reason that Rumple manipulated and destroyed so many people’s lives. Not to mention the fact that if she takes out the Charmings, Rumple, and Nealfire, she’ll be the only family that Henry has in his life, and I’m sure that thought will cross Regina’s mind a lot. However, I think at the last second, she’ll revert back to being good, at least temporarily, and destroy her mother.
@Mich7 wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Barbara: “Who is Regina’s enemy, fundamentally, once and for all? And that is the point of the whole thing. Who is Regina’s REAL enemy? Who is it that killed Regina’s happiness?”
Other chick: “Well it was her mother.”
Barbara: “But in CORA’S point of view?……Think about the whooooooooooole thing, at the beginning of the series, and you’ll see what they’re going for.”It’s around the 47min mark in the interview if you wanna listen to that whole part of the convo. I can’t come up with anything new in relation to that hint she attempted to drop.
I’m thinking Rumple since he tricked Regina into the Dark Curse in the first place…it may have been the reason Cora wouldn’t let Regina leave all those years…she was afraid Rumple would get to her. Then again they might be pointing to Snow (going back to the shows roots). I don’t know how that works in with the betrayal thing unless Cora reveals to Regina the reason the Dark Curse was really cast… She thought Rumple was helping her…but if he arranged all the things in her life that led to all the bad in her life…like Snow and the runaway horse that led to Daniels eventual death…she would see that as betrayal.
It’s just that she was making it sound like it’ll be some big new revelation that’ll make us look at things differently. Rumple screwing over Regina her whole life isn’t exactly a new revelation, I mean, DUH! 😆 Was about to say that maybe Regina didn’t realise the full extent of the manipulation, but then I remembered how I’d assumed that she’d figured out that Jefferson, Viktor and Rumple all conspired against her and set her up, (which is why she made sure that Viktor was cursed, and it explains her extra special disdain for Jefferson), so that wouldn’t really fit as a big twist for me either, if it’s Regina discovering what a pawn she’d been in Rumple’s game.
@Phee wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Barbara: “Who is Regina’s enemy, fundamentally, once and for all? And that is the point of the whole thing. Who is Regina’s REAL enemy? Who is it that killed Regina’s happiness?”
Other chick: “Well it was her mother.”
Barbara: “But in CORA’S point of view?……Think about the whooooooooooole thing, at the beginning of the series, and you’ll see what they’re going for.”It’s around the 47min mark in the interview if you wanna listen to that whole part of the convo. I can’t come up with anything new in relation to that hint she attempted to drop.
I’m thinking Rumple since he tricked Regina into the Dark Curse in the first place…it may have been the reason Cora wouldn’t let Regina leave all those years…she was afraid Rumple would get to her. Then again they might be pointing to Snow (going back to the shows roots). I don’t know how that works in with the betrayal thing unless Cora reveals to Regina the reason the Dark Curse was really cast… She thought Rumple was helping her…but if he arranged all the things in her life that led to all the bad in her life…like Snow and the runaway horse that led to Daniels eventual death…she would see that as betrayal.
It’s just that she was making it sound like it’ll be some big new revelation that’ll make us look at things differently. Rumple screwing over Regina her whole life isn’t exactly a new revelation, I mean, DUH! 😆 Was about to say that maybe Regina didn’t realise the full extent of the manipulation, but then I remembered how I’d assumed that she’d figured out that Jefferson, Viktor and Rumple all conspired against her and set her up, (which is why she made sure that Viktor was cursed, and it explains her extra special disdain for Jefferson), so that wouldn’t really fit as a big twist for me either, if it’s Regina discovering what a pawn she’d been in Rumple’s game.
The article said go back to the beginning…got any other ideas ❓ They are supposed to be drawing up sides now…I doubt Rumple and Regina will be on the same side regardless if The Miller’s Daughter is any indication. I suppose a surprise could be the Blue Fairy…she was there at the start with Rumple and Bae which threw this whole thing in motion.
At first I thought that Cora was just using getting Henry back as an excuse to worm her way back into Regina’s life but I guess that part about the devious plot afoot to get Henry back and her fearing for a powerless Rumple means Cora really is going to try and help Regina in her own twisted way.
I’m curious what Cora and Regina want with the dagger if not to kill Rumple. I guess it makes sense that they wouldn’t want to kill him with it (since Regina or Cora would become “the Dark One”).
My guess is they want to make Rumple suffer. Force him to kill Belle or Bae.
That, or maybe they think with Rumple under their control they can combine their magic to take SB back to FTL -or maybe they want to take over the land without magic?
There is probably a reason 2×17 is a flashback episode right after they get the dagger (2×16). Maybe they force Rumple to incapacitate the town (so the SB townsfolk get stuck reliving the past)? I think it has got to be significant that the flashback is after that episode. Otherwise it seems out of place.
@oceangypsy wrote:
My guess is they want to make Rumple suffer. Force him to kill Belle or Bae.
I think she said that suffering wasn’t the reason either…that’s when she started talking about the devious plot that was afoot.
@Mich7 wrote:
The article said go back to the beginning…got any other ideas? They are supposed to be drawing up sides now…I doubt Rumple and Regina will be on the same side regardless if The Miller’s Daughter is any indication. I suppose a surprise could be the Blue Fairy…she was there at the start with Rumple and Bae which threw this whole thing in motion.
Ah, now you’re talking, that’s a twist that I would actually consider to be a twist, because most viewers don’t consider her to be dodgy, (though I personally wouldn’t be surprised if she ends up being the ultimate puppetmaster).
@Mich7 wrote:
@oceangypsy wrote:
My guess is they want to make Rumple suffer. Force him to kill Belle or Bae.
I think she said that suffering wasn’t the reason either…that’s when she started talking about the devious plot that was afoot.
Hmmm… Then my guess is they need Rumple’s magic for maybe even. .. good? That would be a twist, right?
Phee, I’ve been thinking the Blue Fairy is nefarious as well. She’s been involved since the beginning. Pulling strings or something.
Maybe Cora needs Rumple to take down Blue? If August *does* have Cora’s heart, maybe Blue was the one to give it to him? (Though this is beginning to hedge on incredibly unlikely)
@oceangypsy wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
@oceangypsy wrote:
My guess is they want to make Rumple suffer. Force him to kill Belle or Bae.
I think she said that suffering wasn’t the reason either…that’s when she started talking about the devious plot that was afoot.
Hmmm… Then my guess is they need Rumple’s magic for maybe even. .. good? That would be a twist, right?
I think she was talking about Regina getting Henry back at the time she started talking about the plot. I’m wondering if Cora may not try and use Rumple to kill Emma…since Cora couldn’t crush her heart herself…maybe she thinks Rumple can off her … whatever the case if Cora is really helping Regina I think Emma is in danger.
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