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@hjbau wrote:
Right. Though i do think that whatever the father did has to be something real. Like what Snow did to Regina. She really told Cora about Daniel after Regina very specifically asked her not to and that is important. Even though Snow was a child and naive and her intention was not harm and she was manipulated, in the end she did it. She told Cora and Daniel died because of it.
I think that the father needs to have done something even if it is something like he suggests to Emma that she stand up to her abuser and then when they get there and there is a confrontation the police show up the father leaves her there. Leaves her and he doesn’t come forward about whatever happened. And so Emma gets put in jail. It just needs to be real whatever is done and not just a complete misunderstanding.
Like with Regina and Snow it is a misunderstanding in some ways, but in another way Snow is responsible for what happened because if she had just done as Regina asked none of that would have happened. And that is real responsibility even if they need to move past that it doesn’t mean that what was done wasn’t true and real and harmful and i think the same thing needs to be said for whatever happened between Emma and the father, whether it is Bae or not.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I think we figured out what happened to Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]And i am probably not quite right about this. It is just we know that Emma is already living on her own at the point she is arrested. Already out of the system. And yet the incident for which she is arrested seems to involve either her foster family or this friend of a foster family which makes me think it is something like Emma going back to them to get back at them or the father going there wanting to get back at them when he learns what they did to Emma or just something like that.
And since Emma finds out she is pregnant shortly after she is arrested and the father doesn’t know at least as far as Emma is aware. It just makes me think the father might have been involved in the incident that Emma was arrested for and that it is in some ways his fault that Emma got arrested. I am sure it is Emma’s fault as well, but there is a shared blame. I am all for people accepting their fault and not trying to bump it off as if they didn’t cause real harm just because they didn’t mean for it to happen.
We will see. I do hope they go more into Emma’s back story in the next season.
Well, maybe some of the details will turn out to be a little off, but for the most part I think you got it.
I have a completely different theory, much less fully formed. It comes from a different interpretation of this line from the article about Emma:
She was visiting friends of her foster parents in the town of Worcester, Massachusetts, it would prove to be a trip that would earn her a juvenile criminal record.
I think that she didn’t commit the crime in Worcester, she met the people in Worcester who she eventually committed the crime with. Buut the actual crime happened in Arizona. One possibility would be meeting Henry’s father during that trip to Worcester. They decided to run away together and take a cross-country trip. It gets a little Bonnie and Clyde (although not that extreme) and they finally end up getting caught in Phoenix, only he abandons Emma. Maybe I’m going too much out on a limb, though.
I sadly could see Emma being abused by a foster parent/’family friend’. The ‘kids’ in this show haven’t had the best luck in the system (Emma and August, but I can’t see Bae doing much better). How old does someone have to be to be emancipated? I want to say 16 but I’ll have to check..anyway, I’m sure your right hjbau, Emma would have gotten out of there ASAP. The only issue would be if she already had a criminal record/trouble with the law: the court wouldn’t allow her.
It’s difficult looking back because I do want to lump everything Emma has said together to explain Henry’s birth/Henry’s dad/her criminal record, but really her comments cover almost ten years of bad relationships and moving around and might not all be about the events between being 17 to 18. But still, I’m also trying to make sense of it all together!
Whatever happened with Henry’s dad that made him ‘not a hero’, it has to be more than a misunderstanding or encouraging her to stand up for self. It has to be so deep a betrayal for her to describe him that way, or (when she meet him) she idealized him completely (teenagegirl crush anyone?). Headcanon is that he was a criminal, but maybe she started thinking of him as a Robin Hood type: giving to the poor, protecting the weak (normal hero stuff) and then she was present when he beat someone up (BADLY!). She realizes this guy isn’t stable, isn’t a hero, and bails: that sounds like the kind of guy you keep away from his kids to me.
Weird thought: what if Emma was already pregnant when she went to Worcester that night? She decides to start a new slate, actually wants to be a good parent (already knows baby daddy isn’t going to be told), but decides to confront her childhood rapist in order to leave the past behind and move forward. Things get out of hand, he attacks her, and she defends herself until he blacks out. Thus, Henry’s dad is out of the picture, she’s running from police, and living in her car.
Going to share this in case it jogs anymore interesting ideas:
Had a discussion a few days ago with my mom about Emma’s past. My mom was very adamant that Emma wanted to raise Henry, even at 17. Even when I countered with, “isn’t it refreshing seeing someone make a responsible decision and realizing they were over their heads?” she wouldn’t budge from the idea that Emma would have wanted to raise Henry, knowing how things go in foster care. She has decided that Emma resorted to some type of theft (that’s her criminal record) in order to provide for Henry, was caught and made some type of deal to get her record expunged as long as the child was signed over to the state (I think she thinks Gold left Storybrooke to make this ‘deal’) Haven’t explained to her about Worcester or how Rumple didn’t have his memory back yet.
*Most if not all of this happened after she watched True North!Even though a lot of this doesn’t work with what we know, it started me thinking about WHY Emma would put a child into foster care after her experience with it. She is even aware that babies are returned from homes and can be just as unwanted.
@LisaFromOH wrote:
I have a completely different theory, much less fully formed. It comes from a different interpretation of this line from the article about Emma:
She was visiting friends of her foster parents in the town of Worcester, Massachusetts, it would prove to be a trip that would earn her a juvenile criminal record.
I think that she didn’t commit the crime in Worcester, she met the people in Worcester who she eventually committed the crime with. Buut the actual crime happened in Arizona. One possibility would be meeting Henry’s father during that trip to Worcester. They decided to run away together and take a cross-country trip. It gets a little Bonnie and Clyde (although not that extreme) and they finally end up getting caught in Phoenix, only he abandons Emma. Maybe I’m going too much out on a limb, though.
As a journalism major, that feels like a lot of build-up when all the action (and the real damage against Emma) occurred in Phoenix. Plus, what kind of records could Glass of found that showed Emma meeting a guy in Worcester? Then again, Glass obviously works in the realm of sensationalism so it could fit his writing style to keep building up to the Phoenix events. It’s not like Storybrooke is such a hotbed of news that people would stop reading if he didn’t get to the good part right off. 😀
@Lil’Red wrote:
It’s difficult looking back because I do want to lump everything Emma has said together to explain Henry’s birth/Henry’s dad/her criminal record, but really her comments cover almost ten years of bad relationships and moving around and might not all be about the events between being 17 to 18. But still, I’m also trying to make sense of it all together!
I agree that everything she has said might not be from the same incident with the father. Like the getting together with a married guy comment. I do think that the living out of the back seat of the car thing likely has to do with Henry and her because it was during one of the Emma episodes were she was throughout the entire episode talking about the difficult of having a child so young and how she felt pushed to give him up and was told she wasn’t ready and her fear of failing him and all that.
@Lil’Red wrote:
Going to share this in case it jogs anymore interesting ideas:
Had a discussion a few days ago with my mom about Emma’s past. My mom was very adamant that Emma wanted to raise Henry, even at 17. Even when I countered with, “isn’t it refreshing seeing someone make a responsible decision and realizing they were over their heads?” she wouldn’t budge from the idea that Emma would have wanted to raise Henry, knowing how things go in foster care. She has decided that Emma resorted to some type of theft (that’s her criminal record) in order to provide for Henry, was caught and made some type of deal to get her record expunged as long as the child was signed over to the state (I think she thinks Gold left Storybrooke to make this ‘deal’) Haven’t explained to her about Worcester or how Rumple didn’t have his memory back yet.
*Most if not all of this happened after she watched True North!Even though a lot of this doesn’t work with what we know, it started me thinking about WHY Emma would put a child into foster care after her experience with it. She is even aware that babies are returned from homes and can be just as unwanted.
I wondered too. I sort of agree that it doesn’t quite make sense to me that Emma would just give him up to the system, but at the same time i think she would think she couldn’t do it and the system is all she knows. I think that is why i like the idea that she kept Henry for a few weeks and then gave him up and maybe picked the parent somehow. Though in the pilot Emma said parents which made me think she thought Henry went to a couple, but still maybe if Emma picked because that would sort of be her magic and her choice controlling that. I like that, but who knows what they will do it will probably be someone evil controlling the situation instead.
And actually what i am saying is that Emma was arrested in Worcester, did her time in Mass and then got out right after Henry was born and took him to Phoenix and left him in a hospital there. Who knows though.
Maybe Regina/Rumple lied in paperwork, looking for a little boy, and claimed she was married? Regina might have looked really tempting on paper for a 17 year old wanting her kid to have a nicer life: wealthy, educated, stable, etc. I really hope they cover how Henry got to Maine and who/what brought him next season! It’s maddening!
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