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Belief

Home › Forums › Once Upon a Time › Season Six › 6×22 “The Final Battle, Part 2” › Belief

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  • May 14, 2017 at 10:06 pm #338592
    RumplesGirl
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    Emma’s belief keeps the realms existing. Is this a trait of all Saviors or just Emma? If the realms are dependent on Emma then how did they exist for the 28 years prior to her believing? And what happens when she dies?

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    May 14, 2017 at 10:38 pm #338608
    AKA
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    Yeah this was problematic.  The only thing I can think of is that the Black Fairy’s curse was killing all the realms and part of the curse was tied to Emma’s beliefs.  So because of the BF’s Curse the realm’s were dying because Emma did not believe.  Maybe that was the price of the curse is that if Emma believed in magic then the curse would not work?

    May 15, 2017 at 12:20 am #338624
    TheWatcher
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    I figured it was an effect of the curse as well, not that Emma has to believe to sustain the worlds.

    ALTHOUGH: I have always thought that magic and the multiple story realms were dependent on the beliefs of the people in our world. I had a thread back in the day about that, I think. But I basically said that since we know magic runs on belief, in order for magic to exist and therefore magical worlds, the stories have to be told here so we can believe and thus power those worlds and keep them alive. If we stop beliving they’d die (which was kinda similar to what occurred in Neverland. The magic was running out and so Neverland was dying.) So that makes sense.

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    May 15, 2017 at 1:39 am #338635
    WickedRegal
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    This felt really out of the blue, and I’m still wondering why every realm falls on Emma’s belief when she’s only Fairy Tale Land Born. Like Oz, Neverland, Wonderland, & etc should have nothing to do with her because she has no attachments to those realms unless it’s all somehow tied into whose in her family. I’m just so confused on this!

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    May 15, 2017 at 10:08 am #338648
    hjbau
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    I think the belief is a good idea, but i agree it should be the collective belief, not just Emma’s. They should have had the Black Fairy create some spell that chained the belief to Emma alone or something. Maybe use the residual of Emma’s tears that were stolen by that bar owner or something random.

    May 16, 2017 at 11:40 am #338749
    thedarkonedearie
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    I think the belief is a good idea, but i agree it should be the collective belief, not just Emma’s.

    Put me in the same group who feel the idea that belief holds the realms together is perfect.  But it should have been everyone and not just Emma’s belief.

     

    May 16, 2017 at 11:41 am #338750
    thedarkonedearie
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    Everyone in EF should have forgotten their memories and therefore lost belief.  Rumple would still break the curse by killing Black Fairy, but at least the realms would be crumbling bc of everyone losing belief.

    May 16, 2017 at 9:25 pm #338835
    RumplesGirl
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    hjbau wrote:

    I think the belief is a good idea, but i agree it should be the collective belief, not just Emma’s.

    Put me in the same group who feel the idea that belief holds the realms together is perfect. But it should have been everyone and not just Emma’s belief.

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    It would have been a nice tie in to last season finale when Henry needed everyone to believe in wishes to bring his family from the Land of Untold Stories

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    May 17, 2017 at 1:18 pm #338867
    Sci-Fi Girl
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    Relevant thoughts in separate thread:

    Parallels to The NeverEnding Story

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    May 17, 2017 at 8:08 pm #338958
    RumplesGirl
    Keymaster

    Screwball Ninja had some issues with this aspect as well that raises more questions about this whole concept.

    But there are more fundamental issues: like the fact that Emma apparently needs to “believe” in fairy tales/the book specifically or everything collapses. Does she need to believe during THIS curse in particular? Because Emma was cursed to normality in NY for a year and all the other realms kept on keeping on. And why does burning the book destroy the other realms? There’s a whole bunch of blank books in the Sorcerer’s Mansion (see: S5 finale); I thought the book just recorded what had already happened. And even if burning a book destroyed entire lands, shouldn’t that be something that’s established EARLIER IN THE SEASON, AND NOT IN THE SECOND PART OF THE FINALE? We see the BF try and get Emma to burn the book for an entire episode before we learn what that means. How can we care if we don’t know what’s at stake?

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