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I’ve been wondering something since the finale. Okay, so, Rumple’s Dark One’s curse wasn’t removed by true love’s kiss; it was sucked into the hat and then it broke free. Emma is cursed now, but what I’m wondering is: Since there was no true love’s kiss to break Rumple’s curse, does that mean Belle and Rumple are still true love?
Are they still TL? Yes.
So why no kiss? TV narrative. The writers want to save the TLK that breaks the Dark One’s curse for…another time (and another couple if we’re going down that route)**. A TLK that ultimately breaks the darkest darkness there is? That’s a powerful image and storyline and it’s something A and E are going to do for sure, but not with Rumbelle. The impact has to be at the right moment and 422 wasn’t it for them. So even though it doesn’t even make logical sense for Belle to at least not attempt an on screen TLK, it was passed over because the moment is being saved and instead Rumple lives/has his darkness removed by plot device hat suck.
**I’m not going to offer any commentary on feelings for that since this is the Rumbelle thread and isn’t fair to all other shippers. I’d ask that everyone follow suit.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Since there was no true love’s kiss to break Rumple’s curse, does that mean Belle and Rumple are still true love?
Here is my take on it. Belle said she didn’t love Will, the implication being she still loves Rumple. For some reason, however, the writers chose not to have her kiss Rumple in that moment. But just because she didn’t kiss Rumple doesn’t mean he isn’t still her true love, despite having hurt her. Rumple is Belle’s weakness, and I believe the gauntlet would’ve pointed to Rumple if she were using it to find the thing she loves most.
Now the question in my mind is whether Belle is Rumple’s true love. I think she is the woman he loves without doubt. But does he love her more than the power of the dagger? Belle said in 4×11 that the power was his true love, because the gauntlet led Belle to the real dagger, which is was his weakness. She said he’d never chosen her over the power, and that he never would.
I believe that Belle is Rumple’s true love. The gauntlet led Belle to the dagger because it is literally his weakness, it is what controls him. Rumple said in flashback that a person’s weakness was USUALLY the people they love. Usually does not mean always. Also Rumple has often seen Belle as a source of strength, when he was saying his goodbyes before sacrificing himself to kill Pan, he said to Belle “You made me stronger”. For Rumple, his loved ones are not a source of weakness but a source of strength, therefore the gauntlet would never have pointed towards his loved ones as his weakness.
Now I think the reason we didn’t get TLK is because at that point, Rumple was so addicted to the magic that it was his weakness. Rumple was so addicted he literally was unable to let go of it, except by force. That is why we had the Apprentice forcibly remove Rumple’s dark power and expel it from him. He was cursed and surrounded by darkness. The man was all but dead, the path of red in his heart having nearly entirely disappeared. His humanity was being stolen, and nothing of Rumple the man would exist if it were replaced by the dark one. He had to have the source of the magic addiction literally removed from him to have any chance of regaining his humanity and finding redmption.
I think the reason we didn’t get a TLK between RumBelle was that the writers needed the dark one curse to still exist so that we’d get DarkSwan. If RumBelle did have a TLK, the dark one curse would’ve disappeared.
S5 will be about Rumple either trying to win back Belle or him trying to get back the power he lost. The choice he makes: Belle or magic, will be telling whether he puts Belle first, and whether she really is his true love or not.
I think Rumple will be in a coma for a couple of episodes whilst the DarkSwan plot builds since he’s the one who would be most able to help, then when things look extremely dire, he’ll wake up in time to be able to help save the day and would probably be the one to suggest a TLK since it nearly broke the curse before. Rumple having to cope without his powers would be a rich and interesting story in the vein of earlier seasons storytelling. I expect he’ll be tempted to get his power back, it would be unrealistic if he wasn’t, but he’ll overcome it. Besides, Rumple has a vast amount of knowledge and experience that he has gained over the centuries and “knowledge is power”.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThe thing is, even in 4A and in 4B, Rumple was still choosing magic over Belle in some degree. In the AU universe, he had magic and Belle. He didn’t give up magic and settle down for a quiet life with Belle. So, magic still means more to him than Belle’s love. It makes me think maybe he is incapable of deciding what he really wants; it wouldn’t be unusual. Some people are just like that.
But at his core, I’m not sure Rumple can honestly make this decision to truly let go of magic altogether. Just because he’s not the Dark One anymore, doesn’t mean that craving for magic goes away.
I think that as long as Rumple was the dark one, his true love was the power. Belle said Rumple had never chosen her over the power, and that he never would. However, now that Rumple is no longer the dark one, and he is simply a man again, I’d argue that Belle is Rumple the man’s true love. But the dagger was the dark one’s true love. Now that Rumple is no longer is the dark one, however, Rumple the man is free to choose Belle again. I think Rumple can make up his mind to put Belle first, provided he never dabble with magic again. A true addict can never have another swig of the bottle, so to speak, lest he fall of the bandwagon again.
Rumple can now be the man that Belle fell in love with, the man beneath the beast she identified all of those years ago. Of course, Rumple the man is going to have to work really hard to be that good man again. He is going to have to freely choose Belle over all the temptations that dark magic has. It’s not going to be easy. But I think he and Belle could potentially make a fresh go of it, away from all the crazy temptation that a magical town like SB holds. They could both move to ALWM if and when Rumple wakes up. Rumple would be free simply to be the humble man he was before he became the dark one in a desperate attempt to save his son. However, that will take a lot of work on Rumple’s part and a desire to want to be free of the curse of magic and to be content having a good marriage with a good woman like Belle (assuming she gives him another chance, which I suspect, she will).
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I believe that Belle is Rumple’s true love. The gauntlet led Belle to the dagger because it is literally his weakness, it is what controls him. Rumple said in flashback that a person’s weakness was USUALLY the people they love.
Actually, the line is:
And for almost everyone, that weakness is the thing they love most. This will simply point me in the right direction.
It’s never specifically said to be a person. Just the thing someone loves the most. Thus, why the gauntlet pointed to Rumple’s dagger in the winter finale.
Actually, the line is:
And for almost everyone, that weakness is the thing they love most. This will simply point me in the right direction.
It’s never specifically said to be a person. Just the thing someone loves the most. Thus, why the gauntlet pointed to Rumple’s dagger in the winter finale.
Key word there is ALMOST. The dagger is Rumple’s weakness because it takes away his free will, it controls him. Fear is what binds Rumple to his power not love.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think it’s more than fear that binds Rumple to to his power. He loves it too. Robert Carlyle has stated as much and his power, it existed long before he ever met Belle.
He definitely loves her. There’s no doubt about that and he wants to be with her. This other thing, [other] part of his life, is probably bigger. Because this has existed long before she came along and will probably exist long after she’s gone. This hat and this kind of quest for magic and power is so massive for him. This kind of addiction he has to it is huge. That’s what drives Rumpelstiltskin more than love.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/24/once-upon-a-time-can-rumpelstiltskin-ever-truly-change
Actually:
addiction: devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to
When you’re addicted to something, generally, it means you love it. It consumes your life, like an obsession.
Let me put it this way, if Belle was enough for Rumple, he wouldn’t:
Try to separate himself from the dagger but still find a way to keep his power; he could just let go of his addiction for magic and just settle down with her. But he couldn’t even settle down with Belle. He was hiding what he was doing from her. On purpose.
Wouldn’t have tried to find a way in the season finale to have both his magic and Belle at the same time.Belle even asked him, “Why wasn’t it good enough?” Why wasn’t her love good enough for him?
If Rumple loved only Belle, she wouldn’t need to question him about that. But the reality is, she’s not the only love of his life.
Belle said to Rumple, “Your true love is your power.” (Heroes and Villains, 4×11).
At the end of the day, all Belle ever wanted was just him. She never cared about the power and often questioned why Rumple needed it so badly.
Actually:
addiction: devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to
When you’re addicted to something, generally, it means you love it. It consumes your life, like an obsession.
Not necessarily. Whilst an addiction does consume your life, it isn’t because you love it, it’s because you’re dependant on it. A heroin addict doesn’t stab themselves in the arm, or else where on the body, with a needle because they love it, they do it because they need their fix.
A lot of people say they’re addicted to certain things when in reality they just love it lots. For example, addicted to chocolate, addicted to shopping, addicted to OUAT- chocaholics, shopaholics, onceaholics. That’s not a real addiction. A real addiction is when there is an actual dependency on a substance- an alcoholic can’t go a day without a drink, they NEED a drink, a drug addict can’t go a day without their substance, they NEED a fix.
Rumple is a magic addict. He believes he NEEDS his magic to protect his loved ones and to protect himself. He fears that without it, he’ll be weak and powerless, and since he’s already had that experience it only instills that fear even more thus continuing the cycle.
Look what happened when Rumple didn’t have magic:
His wife was kidnapped by a pirate and was going to be raped by a ship load of pirates because he was powerless to save her. (Whilst this wasn’t the actual case, this is what Rumple was led to believe)
He was bullied and belittled by those who were “stronger” than he was.
His son was going to be taken to fight and die in the ogre wars.
Look what happened when Rumple had magic:
He saved his son and stopped the ogre war.
Nobody messed with him.
He taught many beautiful women who were interested in him, some in a romantic sense.
He could protect his loved ones with magic.
Magic has destroyed Rumple’s life, much like a real addiction does to someone, but he can’t just switch off the addiction at the drop of a hat, it’s the fear of what will happen without the magic that keeps Rumple addicted to it.
Let me put it this way, if Belle was enough for Rumple, he wouldn’t:
Try to separate himself from the dagger; let go of his addiction for magic and just settle down with her.
Wouldn’t have tried to find a way in the season finale to have both his magic and Belle at the same time.Belle even asked him, “Why wasn’t it good enough?” Why wasn’t her love enough for him? Because he loves magic more than her.
If Rumple loved only Belle, she wouldn’t need to question him about that. But the reality is, she’s not the only love of his love.
The addiction takes over because that is what an addiction does. Rumple loves Belle but he has a deepseated fear, after a life of abandonment and rejection, that nobody could ever love him really. He hides behind his magic as a coping mechanism. If Rumple really cared about his magic more than Belle, he’d be like “to hell with you” and wouldn’t even bother trying to reach out to her. He wants Belle, he loves her, but he feels he needs to magic to protect her. He wants them both!
The fact that he is now potentially magicless and forced to go cold turkey is a major step in Rumple’s recovery. He’ll be tempted, but hopefully he can overcome it.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixActually: addiction: devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to When you’re addicted to something, generally, it means you love it. It consumes your life, like an obsession.
Not necessarily. Whilst an addiction does consume your life, it isn’t because you love it, it’s because you’re dependant on it. A heroin addict doesn’t stab themselves in the arm, or else where on the body, with a needle because they love it, they do it because they need their fix.
Hate to tell you this but you just contradicted yourself.
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