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One more thing: I don’t agree that he tried to cut off his hand; he specifically didn’t do that. I’ve said this before, but he has made his decision and come to terms with it. Gold acts with the firmness and decisiveness of one who knows he is doing the right thing. He’s so incredibly fierce, and protective of his Belle and Bae, and he’s ready to pay the price in doing the only thing that can be done. Even if he chose to cut off his hand and reattach it without the cuff, even if he chose magic to battle Pan, that wouldn’t have been the end of things. Gold knew that he and his father would continue to battle……and that Belle and Bae would still likely suffer and still likely die (and there is no return from death). The only way to put an end to it, to ensure that no harm comes to them, is for him to kill Pan – and to die himself.
The thought may have crossed Rumple’s mind to cut off his hand but he definitely didn’t do it. Rumple still had the cuff on when he faced Pan. And it was a big step for Rumple, he protected the people he loved without using magic.
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Keeper of FelixOne of the most common TV tropes: no body no death. The gold light was highly significant. He has broken his DO curse and is now trapped somewhere. He’ll be back.
Yes and besides, Once might get into trouble if they kill Rumple or do the Hades story which some people think could happen, only to have Belle revive him. A & E have established and repeated several times that DEAD IS DEAD and if they change that now (with a sloppy excuse) people could ask, then why didn’t Regina do the same with Daniel and she would have been happy and no dark curse would have happened in the first place and no curse means no story/no TV show… You can’t just change your rules every time they don’t fit with your story, so IMO, Rumple is alive or if he’s not, he is and will stay dead (which seems to be very unlikely).
I think the writers could have a loophole over Rumple’s “death” despite Dead is Dead. It’s possible that, when Regina destroyed the curse meaning Storybrooke never existed, any deaths that occurred in Storybrooke may then not have happened. Then we could welcome back the likes of Graham, Cora, Felix, Rumple and Pan and FakeArchie.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIMO, all Gold meant was that he used the curse to find out if Bae was happy; that’s what he cared about…..He didn’t intend to use the curse to force himself back into son’s life, just to see that he was ok (not that he wouldn’t want to be a part of his life, of course he would have). Yes he plans things, but he can’t plan his son’s life, he can’t manipulate everyone and anything to give Bae what he thinks he wants – that’s the opposite of what Bae would want. IMO, he just believes his son will be happy, like most parents believe their children will be happy
But… I wasn’t saying that he would plan all the pesky details of his son’s life… only the big picture. a CHANCE at happiness. where no wicked witch is chasing him, no Peter Pan is KIDNAPPING HIS KID, no evil munchkins threatening to destroy his family etc. just to make sure he has a CHANCE at happiness. Bae himself will choose the happiness he wants to have, but he should at least have a chance at it. (unlike snowing who think they know exactly what will make Emma happy – although the ARE right) I don’t think Gold had any clue as to what would really make Bae happy – only that he should be allowed a chance at happiness – in whatever form it comes.
betsypaige24 wrote: One more thing: I don’t agree that he tried to cut off his hand; he specifically didn’t do that. I’ve said this before, but he has made his decision and come to terms with it. Gold acts with the firmness and decisiveness of one who knows he is doing the right thing. He’s so incredibly fierce, and protective of his Belle and Bae, and he’s ready to pay the price in doing the only thing that can be done. Even if he chose to cut off his hand and reattach it without the cuff, even if he chose magic to battle Pan, that wouldn’t have been the end of things. Gold knew that he and his father would continue to battle……and that Belle and Bae would still likely suffer and still likely die (and there is no return from death). The only way to put an end to it, to ensure that no harm comes to them, is for him to kill Pan – and to die himself.
The thought may have crossed Rumple’s mind to cut off his hand but he definitely didn’t do it. Rumple still had the cuff on when he faced Pan. And it was a big step for Rumple, he protected the people he loved without using magic.
Yes, he thought about it……and made the right decision. How agonizing for him – but he knew that this was the only way to end Pan’s reign of terror once and for all. I only get prouder of him by the day………I still watch these scenes quite a lot, which seems odd given how sad it is, but I find them all so beautiful that I can’t help it. Plus, there’s barely any Rumbelle to get me through the hiatus, so I have to take what I can get.
I think the writers could have a loophole over Rumple’s “death” despite Dead is Dead. It’s possible that, when Regina destroyed the curse meaning Storybrooke never existed, any deaths that occurred in Storybrooke may then not have happened. Then we could welcome back the likes of Graham, Cora, Felix, Rumple and Pan and FakeArchie
I hope they don’t do that because that would be sort of a cop out and it would diminish the meanings of the deaths. Gold dying (if he actually dies when he disappears) and being saved by some higher power/magic/whatever is different than say, Graham dying and the show conjuring up some convoluted way for him to return. I doubt that he really died, however; the moment that he thrust that dagger even further into his father, when it actually stabbed him, is when his curse started to break and when he was saved.
Storybrooke vanished as if it never existed, but it did in fact exist. Everything that happened still happened so we aren’t going to see anyone return from the dead.
I don’t, however, believe Rumple is dead. I think the fact that he sacrificed himself for those he loves will play a role in it.
Storybrooke vanished as if it never existed, but it did in fact exist. Everything that happened still happened so we aren’t going to see anyone return from the dead. I don’t, however, believe Rumple is dead. I think the fact that he sacrificed himself for those he loves will play a role in it.
To quote LOST: whatever happened, happened.
But what happened to Rumple remains to be seen.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"angiebelle wrote: Storybrooke vanished as if it never existed, but it did in fact exist. Everything that happened still happened so we aren’t going to see anyone return from the dead. I don’t, however, believe Rumple is dead. I think the fact that he sacrificed himself for those he loves will play a role in it.
To quote LOST: whatever happened, happened. But what happened to Rumple remains to be seen.
He’s certainly alive, but where he was sent……… I find it interesting that “whoever” and “whatever” saved him made him disappear. Why not just leave him where he was? I REALLY hope that he’s not going to lose his memories, but I’m afraid he will. Probably he was sent somewhere pre-curse, which means all his memories of Belle (sob) will have evaporated. This memory loss thing is getting out of hand on the shows, sigh….
I REALLY hope that he’s not going to lose his memories, but I’m afraid he will. Probably he was sent somewhere pre-curse, which means all his memories of Belle (sob) will have evaporated. This memory loss thing is getting out of hand on the shows, sigh….
Don’t know why he would lose his memories. No one else does. And they aren’t doing time travel on this show (actual time travel) so he wouldn’t be anywhere pre-original-Curse.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"the moment that he thrust that dagger even further into his father, when it actually stabbed him, is when his curse started to break and when he was saved.
I don’t think that *that’s* when the dagger reached him, I think it was already IN him. if you look at his face (and at Belle’s reaction) right after he plunges the dagger the first time, he definitely feels it and it hurts. I don’t know what did cause the light to come out? what was that extra push for?
betsypaige24 wrote: I REALLY hope that he’s not going to lose his memories, but I’m afraid he will. Probably he was sent somewhere pre-curse, which means all his memories of Belle (sob) will have evaporated. This memory loss thing is getting out of hand on the shows, sigh….
Don’t know why he would lose his memories. No one else does. And they aren’t doing time travel on this show (actual time travel) so he wouldn’t be anywhere pre-original-Curse.
Well we don’t know where he’s sent, we just know he’s not with anyone else.
I never looked at pre-curse as being time travel, I guess it could be…except I’m not saying he’d be sent to the past; I was more suggesting that he’d perhaps it would be as if his curse never existed, sort of how SB is now going to have not existed (though everyone will have their memories). It would be different because without his curse, he’d never have met Belle. Of course, without his curse, he’d have died a long time ago, lol. I’m not married to this at all, I just find it odd that he’s saved, but he disappears. It’s sort of a plot device – there’s no reason Gold shouldn’t just have remained where he was, alive through whatever power saved him, except that they wanted to separate Rumbelle again.
don’t think that *that’s* when the dagger reached him, I think it was already IN him. if you look at his face (and at Belle’s reaction) right after he plunges the dagger the first time, he definitely feels it and it hurts. I don’t know what did cause the light to come out? what was that extra push for?
I think it might have grazed him (even a mere graze from knife, never mind a dagger, will hurt), but that extra thrust was to actually have the dagger penetrate him, which is why when he did that thrust, the golden light appeared (because it was then that he was actually killing himself). You can tell by his face and his trembling hands that Gold is in great pain -and by the noises, though I’m actually not sure if that’s him or Malcolm
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