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There IS a price to being the dark one. It can’t be a pleasent price… Or else why did zaso beg Rumpel to kill him, saying that his life is such a burden? Maybe if theres no other dark one to take the place of the last dark one bad things can happen. Like bad creepy things. Who knows… Maybe Zaso knew more than Rumpel did and thats why he had someo.e ELSE kill him rather than taking his own life?
[adrotate group="5"]Well i think that rumple is alive, why, because the dark ones can kill themselfs, if that was possible then the dark one before rumple would have kill himself.
However i do think that Adam and Eddie dont like Rumbelle like they love snowing, but i do think that they will reunite again on S3B, will they have a happy ending, although i want them to have and as a neal fan i would love to see the family relation develop, i dont thing they will have.
I really wanna have hope, but this moment is like -0% that neal wont be the one to die, and with his death rumbelle will never be happy, how is that rumple will allow himself to be happy when his son wasnt given that option? I believe that Belle bonded with neal during this past year, so i dont think that she will be able to trully be happy having lost a friend and seing rumple unhappy.
I really hope that they are able to safe rumple from www control before the end of the season,i think that was why belle was sad, because she knew that now they would have to fight rumple, although i read somewhere that he still had the cuffs, so even if the www controls him, i think he wont be able to use magic.
Gold has paid the price over and over and over again; he’s suffered immensely.
Zoso was a truly evil person and he wanted Rumple to take on the curse…………he wanted someone to take it on, he didn’t care about ending the evil by killing himself. Gold knew he was killing himself (as a person and as DO) when he stabbed himself – I firmly believe that. In TMD, he was dying of the poison and he told Emma/Neal that “at least the cursed power” will die with me (or something like that). As long as he died and no one else became DO, the power was going.
That’s not really my point, though. Point is: either have Gold be dead and leave it at that or have him be alive, really alive. I realize I have to take Eddy’s comments (which make no sense really) with a huge grain of salt because, sorry, the guy says stupid things all the time.
Oh and this: Gold died a hero – do we really think anyone is going to remember that at the beginning of S3B except for Belle and Bae? No one will care about his sacrifice, they’ll just pretend as if he never existed. That’s what will happen with this death in S4……
Nessa: If it’s Neal that dies, I don’t think Rumbelle won’t truly be happy, but of course there would be holes in their hearts that could never truly heal…….
I just don’t want to see Rumbelle have a happy ending off-screen unless we get to sometimes see them happy on; that would pretty much infuriate me. I honestly don’t think Adam/Eddy like Rumbelle……I used to think they did to some extent, but I’m so tired of their act.
This might seem like heresy, but (and keep in mind that I’m upset with the show, that my heart will ALWAYS be with Rumbelle):
S1 was magical, romantic, fantastical…….it was FUN. ONCE now is like an ordinary show; what once distinguished it no longer does. All A/E care about his bringing on as many characters as possible.
I think I’d take S1 back and deal with no Rumbelle…….. I mean, we don’t get Rumbelle anyway, so I would erase SD as if it never existed or I’d just have Regina really kill her. It breaks my heart to say this, but I HATE seeing Belle in storyline Siberia and seeing Rumbelle suffer (appropriately) the Groundhog Day of fates: separation after separation after separation. Every day for them is like February 2nd.
Yes, no SD means no gorgeous redemption arc for Gold, but they were never planning that anyway……..at least not at that point. Belle was made a regular because she was so popular – and Rumbelle was an overnight sensation – not because Adam/Eddy intended it. At the time Em was made a regular, I loved their flexibility in changing the story, but now I see that they are far more rigid than I thought. Belle is ignored by everyone not named Gold or Archie, her sufferings don’t count (no A/E, we fans have NOT forgotten that you have NOT allowed her to at least confront Hook and Regina) and she’s just……there. Frankly, at times I wish Belle were not a regular; they could bring her back as often as they needed her – and if Em was unavailable or unable to, so be it.
Gold has paid the price over and over and over again; he’s suffered immensely.
You know what? This is what I thought even before “think lovely thoughts” aka The Episode That Killed My Hapiness Forever, but nooooo A&E made it their personal mission to torture the guy relentlessly. So they make Peter Pan not only his father, but the name he himself gave his BEST imaginary FRIEND (possibly his ONLY friend), then they make Everyone in neverland distrust him, then they give him false hope for a future with the only woman in the whole world who saw the good in him, then they have his father abuse him, then they have him cuffed and helpless so he’s forced to kill himsef in the most unpleasnt way. Do you really think they are going to stop there?
Gold has paid the price over and over and over again; he’s suffered immensely. Zoso was a truly evil person and he wanted Rumple to take on the curse…………he wanted someone to take it on, he didn’t care about ending the evil by killing himself. Gold knew he was killing himself (as a person and as DO) when he stabbed himself – I firmly believe that. In TMD, he was dying of the poison and he told Emma/Neal that ”at least the cursed power” will die with me (or something like that). As long as he died and no one else became DO, the power was going. That’s not really my point, though. Point is: either have Gold be dead and leave it at that or have him be alive, really alive. I realize I have to take Eddy’s comments (which make no sense really) with a huge grain of salt because, sorry, the guy says stupid things all the time. Oh and this: Gold died a hero – do we really think anyone is going to remember that at the beginning of S3B except for Belle and Bae? No one will care about his sacrifice, they’ll just pretend as if he never existed. That’s what will happen with this death in S4…… Nessa: If it’s Neal that dies, I don’t think Rumbelle won’t truly be happy, but of course there would be holes in their hearts that could never truly heal……. I just don’t want to see Rumbelle have a happy ending off-screen unless we get to sometimes see them happy on; that would pretty much infuriate me. I honestly don’t think Adam/Eddy like Rumbelle……I used to think they did to some extent, but I’m so tired of their act. This might seem like heresy, but (and keep in mind that I’m upset with the show, that my heart will ALWAYS be with Rumbelle): S1 was magical, romantic, fantastical…….it was FUN. ONCE now is like an ordinary show; what once distinguished it no longer does. All A/E care about his bringing on as many characters as possible. I think I’d take S1 back and deal with no Rumbelle…….. I mean, we don’t get Rumbelle anyway, so I would erase SD as if it never existed or I’d just have Regina really kill her. It breaks my heart to say this, but I HATE seeing Belle in storyline Siberia and seeing Rumbelle suffer (appropriately) the Groundhog Day of fates: separation after separation after separation. Every day for them is like February 2nd. Yes, no SD means no gorgeous redemption arc for Gold, but they were never planning that anyway……..at least not at that point. Belle was made a regular because she was so popular – and Rumbelle was an overnight sensation – not because Adam/Eddy intended it. At the time Em was made a regular, I loved their flexibility in changing the story, but now I see that they are far more rigid than I thought. Belle is ignored by everyone not named Gold or Archie, her sufferings don’t count (no A/E, we fans have NOT forgotten that you have NOT allowed her to at least confront Hook and Regina) and she’s just……there. Frankly, at times I wish Belle were not a regular; they could bring her back as often as they needed her – and if Em was unavailable or unable to, so be it.
Agree with you, and i share your feelings, why they bring this actors to become a regular just to use them like if they were props, and why they keep bringing so many characters instead of develop the ones they have, i know that this have nothing to do with this, but why two major villains in the same season?
Why they dont make the second part , like a continuation of what happened, for example, since they wanted to end the season with another curse, they could still make pan died and then go back to the EF and rumple would still be with the gang and would make the curse to bring them back because of neal and maybe the vilains in the second part could be about the home office and their fight against magic, and some how would be a continuation of the p1, since pan made the home office.
But no, they bring this new characters and simply put the ones they have aside, and worst they dont even hide that they dont like them, i mean rumbelle has like 1 epi together and then 10 separated then another 1 epi together and again 10 separate and finally have 1 epi together and in the end of that same epi are separated and the writers simply say that they will be together in the same world, really?
I still think that will neal dead they will not be happy, because in 221 rumple was prepated to die and only brought belle memories back so that she could die as belle and not lacey, in that scene he showed that like what should happen with any parent, the romantic love is not bigger than the parent love, so i believe that he would be suicide mode again.
I dont believe in anything that Adam says anymore, i never saw him defend rumbelle like he defends snowing and captainswan and recently even outlawqueen deserves more excitment from him than rumbelle and swanfire, and that is why if is neal that dies( he cannot say that is story, so why make MRJ regular to kill him, specially with the screen time he had P1, we only get the option that the actor asked out, because like meghan he was unhappy with the story), he ends with two ships, Sf and Rumbelle and has an oportunity to bring rumple in dark one mode, since i cannot see any villain good enough for next season, if they have one.
I’m not going to get into comparing loves – romantic and parental love are different and Gold loves Belle just as much as he loves Neal and he’s shown that many times.
Also, I’m sorry, but that’s actually incorrect. Gold didn’t bring Belle back so she could die as herself – in fact, he wasn’t going to bring her back because he didn’t want Belle to wake up just to die. He brought her back because he needed her, which is what he told her. As Bobby has said many times, Belle is Gold’s anchor, his emotional center….and he loves her more than life itself. He brought her back because he was scared and lonely – and he needed to feel loved again and to love, before he died.
We already saw after Belle was restored and SB was not going to explode that Gold seemed relatively ok. I’m not saying he wasn’t shattered, of course he was, but before he knew Henry was gone, he was arm in arm with Belle. Belle was there for him and she would have been there for him in his grief had he not had to leave for NL. I think actually if she died, Gold would have a harder time because as much as he loves Neal, Neal could not comfort him and support him the way Belle could; his son is not his rock, not the one who always believed in him.
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Love Is An Open Door
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I just had a discussion with one of my Oncer friends. She thinks RumBelle is borderline abusive. Le sigh. She said that sometimes Rumple is good but other times he is controlling her. When I questioned this, she pointed to Lacey and how Rumple would shut her up by offering her more alcohol when she disagreed with him- that this was yet another situation that Rumple wouldn’t get repercussions for and that she wished Belle would ream him one for that. I argued that she wasn’t herself there- that was a special situation…Lacey *liked* abusive behavior, and Rumple wanted to keep her close. If he didn’t keep her close, Lacey would have done something that Belle would have regretted later. He was being the way he thought she wanted him to be. My friend compared making an exception to the situation to saying, “It’s okay that he hit me.”
It bugs me a bit when people try to put real world standards on a magical situation- I see that a lot among the fandom. You can’t do that- magic and fantasy change the rules. Yes, in real life, feeding someone alcohol whenever they disagree could be considered cruel, but this was a special circumstance, and I don’t think Belle would blame him for it. Yes, he was manipulating Lacey, but she was under a magic spell- she wasn’t herself. He was trying to protect her so that he might reach the real Belle again. It may not have been the wisest strategy, but his heart was in the right place. She didn’t really disagree with him at any point anyway- he was just trying to keep her from seeing magic. My friend compared making an exception to the situation to saying, “It’s okay that he hit me.”
Sometimes when I get in these conversations, I feel as if maybe I’m just being delusional because I’m such a big Belle/RumBelle fan. I can sorta see my friend’s point…but I just don’t think of it that way.
Of all the bad things Rumple has done, controlling Belle never even crossed my mind.
And I was just thinking…my friend said that whenever Lacey disagreed with Rumple, he’d give her alcohol to shut her up, but that’s not the way I remember it happening. He didn’t give her alcohol because she disagreed. He gave it to her to distract her from magic. He was afraid of how she’d react if she found out because magic always causes him to lose people. And she didn’t even listen when he tried to shoo her away! She came back and eavesdropped!
Does your friend have anti-Rumple leanings Angie? Because that can bias their point of view.
Also theoretically, you could say Snowing has had it’s abusive moments. When Snowing first met, Snow hit Charming in the face with a rock, then when he had her dark Snow phase, she knocked Charming out again and tied him to a tree and left him there.
You could probably fin “abuse” in every relationship on the show if you looked hard enough.
I don’t think Rumple was ever abusive towards Belle, even during her Lacey phase. Lacey liked a drink, it was a common habit of hers and Rumple never forced her to drink alcohol when she didn’t want to.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI don’t think she is particularly anti-Rumple…I think she just thinks he gets away with everything. We were just talking about characters we’d like to see more about on the show. I mentioned Belle and she agreed because “She is in a borderline abusive relationship and her stories always revolve around Rumple.” I bristle when people call their relationship abusive. As with Lacey- you’re right…he never forced it on her. He just offered it. He was never really in control of her.
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