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A few night on the couch doesn’t fit the crime, nor one yelling match with Belle. You know what you spend a few nights on the couch for? When you miss your anniversary. Not for murdering someone in hopes of no one finding out.
Yes. I completely agree. Bless you @RumplesGirl for saying that. The punishment for Rumple should be proportionate to the crime and sleeping on the couch doesn’t fit it.
[adrotate group="5"]Belle was okay with the would-be murder of Pan so I don’t know why she would be so up in arms over Zelena’s death especially as Zelena put everyone through hell for a whole year. Whenever Belle has asked Rumple not to hurt someone, it’s always been on his behalf rather than the other person. So I could see Belle being quite angry and disappointed in Rumple for giving into his hate and need for revenge and for lying to her, but I don’t think she’d be all that bothered by Zelena’s death.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixBelle was okay with the would-be murder of Pan so I don’t know why she would be so up in arms over Zelena’s death especially as Zelena put everyone through hell for a whole year. Whenever Belle has asked Rumple not to hurt someone, it’s always been on his behalf rather than the other person. So I could see Belle being quite angry and disappointed in Rumple for giving into his hate and need for revenge and for lying to her, but I don’t think she’d be all that bothered by Zelena’s death.
1) different situations. Zelena was already defeated. “Pan” was taken over the line so that Emma could question what happened to Henry. Pan was only going to die after Emma was satisfied that nothing was wrong with Henry. Zelena was in jail and everyone was safe.
2) Belle even tells everyone that she could have curbed Rumple’s homicidal tendencies if she suspected him of going after Zelena. She is not okay with even the idea of him killing Zelena. The problem is that she trusted him too much.
3) We actually have very little evidence for the whole “Zelena made their lives hell for a year.” While they were in the EF, we never saw Zelena actually do anything other than fly in through windows and occasionally threaten Snow and the baby and have a sass off with Regina. No one was being harmed, so far as we know. you’re making conjecture.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"She had Rumple in the cage and she had his dagger so as to control him and he had no say in the matter. Zelena made his life hell. Zelena my not have been actively going after the heroes in FTL, but she was still a threat and they couldn’t rest easy.
Pan was taken over the line to be killed because they thought he was controlling the shadow from the box, they didn’t realise Pan was Henry until “Pan” opened his mouth.
Belle didn’t care about Zelena but she does care about Rumple and didn’t want him to give in to his hate. So she will be angry and disappointed at him for what he did but not because Zelena didn’t deserve to die, but because Rumple was the one who gave into his darkness and lied to Belle about it.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixShe had Rumple in the cage and she had his dagger so as to control him and he had no say in the matter. Zelena made his life hell. Zelena my not have been actively going after the heroes in FTL, but she was still a threat and they couldn’t rest easy.
Sure. Rumple has every right to be upset. No one is denying that. But Belle asks him to rise above his anger, to remember that he is trying to be a better man.
And that doesn’t erase the fact that Zelena was already defeated. She was in a cell, alone, powerless. And he killed her anyway. It wasn’t protecting the lives of those he cared about, like with Pan in 311, it was cold hearted murder.
Pan was taken over the line to be killed because they thought he was controlling the shadow from the box, they didn’t realise Pan was Henry until “Pan” opened his mouth.
Emma wanted to talk to him first, because she suspected something was up with Henry. It wasn’t an execution. It was talk first, then see what happens. And if Pan was controlling Henry or the Shadow then he was still a THREAT. ZELENA WASNT. She was broken and powerless. If Pan could still control anything from the box, then he was still a threat to the town. BIG difference.
Belle didn’t care about Zelena but she does care about Rumple and didn’t want him to give in to his hate. So she will be angry and disappointed at him for what he did but not because Zelena didn’t deserve to die, but because Rumple was the one who gave into his darkness and lied to Belle about it.
Sure, but again….how many times can she forgive him for such heinous acts. What does it say about the way they write her character? If Belle doesn’t show Rumple that there are consequences to his actions beyond getting a scolding then he’ll NEVER change.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Just want to add to the fact that Zelena technically PLEADED for her life before Rumple killed her….so that was in a way cold blooded murder…..in real life terms, that’s killing a defenseless woman. That’s what majorly (beeps) me about Rumple killing Zelena, and the fact he broke his “promise” to Belle….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Agreed PoM..
Rumple killed a woman who abused him for a year (or at least several months), ordered him to kill Belle, and was at least partly responsible for the death of his son. Just for example. I know it’s not a good excuse, but I just can’t hold this COMPLETELY against him (him lying to Belle is what bugs me more). And I don’t care if Zelena was defenseless. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.. but Imo it would have been ooc of him not to go after her, and I honestly think that Belle is thinking Rumple is far more noble than he can be at this point. Even Rumple himself still thinks he is a monster.
I agree that it’s going to require a big gesture from Rumple for him to be FULLY forgiven by Belle, and as I said earlier, I believe this will have a good payoff. I don’t think this will be just swept under the rug.
What would be interesting is, since Belle is constantly trying to pull Rumple out of the darkness, what if Rumple realises that he is starting to pull Belle into the darkness. That would be a big wake up call to him to actually change his ways because he wouldn’t want to drag Belle down with him. Belle inspires him to be a better person but Rumple actually needs to follow through on that rather than just playing the part.
Belle has Lacey in her now (she is both) and Lacey’s advice to Rumple was to get rid of the person who was going to be his undoing. We’re all expecting Belle to go off on one about Rumple murdering Zelena when she finds out but what if she agrees to keep it secret, since telling the truth won’t change the outcome, and she’s more mad about Rumple lying to her. That could be the wake up call Rumple needs since he’s expecting Belle to go off on one and instead she’s lowering herself to his level to protect him. He doesn’t want her to be like him. He realises he has to be better to protect her.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI agree that it’s going to require a big gesture from Rumple for him to be FULLY forgiven by Belle, and as I said earlier, I believe this will have a good payoff. I don’t think this will be just swept under the rug.
I’m curious—like what? What sort of grand gesture do you do in order to forgive murder? What do you give the woman to whom you have broken so many vows? To quote Beauty and the Beast “flowers? chocolates? promises you don’t intend to keep?” It’s not going to be rug swept. But it CANNOT be as simple as a fight and a few nights on the couch. THAT is a total insult to Belle’s character and her inner strength. If she forgives him in the same episode that she figures out what happened, then every single criticism hurled at Rumbelle about Belle being weak and stupid and their relationship being emotionally abusive is true. And this is my OTP! I ship them HARD. But what the writers made Rumple do turns my stomach. He has been my favorite character since I started this show. Rumbelle is the whole reason I found this forum in the first place and why I do what I do here. Because they brought me into this fandom.
I hated Zelena. I wanted her locked up and out of the way. I never wanted to see her ever again. Rumple has ever right to be mad and hurt and angry. But this is about fighting on the side of the better angels. It’s about learning from you past. Rumple’s SON DIED because magic comes with a price. If that wasn’t a wake up–if loosing the center of his entire universe wasn’t enough–then what is?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl, I just want to say, I love you sweetie and you’ve been a great trooper through this whole discussion. I just wanted to applaud you for all the posts you’ve contributed to this discussion and I am behind you 100% all the way.
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