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I think Belle should forgive Rumple. If Regina can be forgiven by Snow after all her misdeeds and be given chance after chance to change then Rumple should too.
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Keeper of FelixI think Belle should forgive Rumple. If Regina can be forgiven by Snow after all her misdeeds and be given chance after chance to change then Rumple should too.
I didn’t say that she shouldn’t forgive him. But everyone seems to think it’s as easy as an apology, a shouting match, a few nights on the couch. It’s like downplaying *what* he did for the sake of a ‘ship. It cannot be as a cut and dry as that. He killed someone. He murdered Zelena. And worse, he lied and deceived Belle. I know he meant every word he said to her. He loves Belle with his whole heart. But he still thinks that he can get away with literal actual murder and not have to face any consequences.
As far as Snow/Regina goes, Regina never promised Snow she wouldn’t kill anyone. They’ve always been enemies toward each other, with the brief stint when Snow was younger. When Daniel died, Regina blammed Snow and her reaction was, “I should have let her die on that horse.”
Snow and Regina are NOT Rumple and Belle. There was never a feud between them. Rumple made promises and grand speeches and loving declarations. He never tried to kill Belle, he never poisoned her, he never tried to kill her daughter. And Belle didn’t play a part in making Rumple loose what he loved most. The situations are vastly different.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Snow and Regina are NOT Rumple and Belle. There was never a feud between them. Rumple made promises and grand speeches and loving declarations. He never tried to kill Belle, he never poisoned her, he never tried to kill her daughter. And Belle didn’t play a part in making Rumple loose what he loved most. The situations are vastly different.
I agree.
As far as Snow/Regina goes, Regina never promised Snow she wouldn’t kill anyone.
Rumple never promised Belle he wouldn’t kill Zelena.
I don’t think the issue is going to be Zelena’s death but that Rumple lied to Belle. Zelena never showed any remorse for her actions, she was taunting Rumple when she thought he couldn’t do anything to her. She only changed her tune when she realised Rumple could carry through on his threat to kill her. Regina herself threatened to kill Zelena if she tried anything which suggests that Regina didn’t trust Zelena.
Zelena didn’t jump at the opportunity of a second chance which suggests that she had no intention of redeeming herself and was going to bide her time until she could regain her power. The Mills women aren’t renowned for accepting second chances gracefully. Had it been Henry that Zelena had a hand in killing then I doubt she would’ve even made it to the cell.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSorry, the “quote” button isn’t working properly..
I’m curious—like what? What sort of grand gesture do you do in order to forgive murder? What do you give the woman to whom you have broken so many vows? To quote Beauty and the Beast “flowers? chocolates? promises you don’t intend to keep?” It’s not going to be rug swept. But it CANNOT be as simple as a fight and a few nights on the couch. THAT is a total insult to Belle’s character and her inner strength. If she forgives him in the same episode that she figures out what happened, then every single criticism hurled at Rumbelle about Belle being weak and stupid and their relationship being emotionally abusive is true. And this is my OTP! I ship them HARD. But what the writers made Rumple do turns my stomach. He has been my favorite character since I started this show. Rumbelle is the whole reason I found this forum in the first place and why I do what I do here. Because they brought me into this fandom.
I hated Zelena. I wanted her locked up and out of the way. I never wanted to see her ever again. Rumple has ever right to be mad and hurt and angry. But this is about fighting on the side of the better angels. It’s about learning from you past. Rumple’s SON DIED because magic comes with a price. If that wasn’t a wake up–if loosing the center of his entire universe wasn’t enough–then what is?
I agree with you, they need more than one episode to deal with this (and honestly, I think it’s going to take the whole first half of the season) and I don’t want Belle to forgive him too easily, really. I just want them to face this obstacle together. There’s gotta be a reason they had Rumbelle married right now.
Rumple’s grand gesture? We have to watch and see! All I know that Rumbelle = Beauty and the Beast. Very famous and popular couple, a canon. They belong together like Snow and Charming. So I’m sure there will be a satisfying payoff.
I’m just trying to be optimistic because being pessimistic isn’t me..
Oh, and I’d also like to add that we don’t know what EXACTLY is going on in Rumple’s head. While killing Zelena was in character, him lying to Belle like this and kinda using her as an alibi is not. I’m a bit confused about this, I feel like something is off with him. Perhaps part of his father was resurrected within him, or something dramatic (other than being resurrected, imprisoned and his son being merged in him) happened to him during that missing year.. anyway, I’d like to know more before I jump to conclusions.
Oh, and I’d also like to add that we don’t know what EXACTLY is going on in Rumple’s head. While killing Zelena was in character, him lying to Belle like this and kinda using her as an alibi is not. I’m a bit confused about this, I feel like something is off with him. Perhaps part of his father was resurrected within him, or something dramatic (other than being imprisoned and having his son within him) happened to him during that missing year..
Now that you bring it up, I’d like to know what was Rumple’s rational for lying to Belle. Why did he feel the need to create a fake dagger and give Belle a false sense of security and trust?
As to Rumple’s reaction to Neal’s death, I don’t think he was possessed. But his reaction was different from season two. In season two, he was a lot more accepting of Neal’s death but again, season two was a fake death since we learned that Neal survived falling through the bean hole.
Rumple’s was different because this was not a fake death like before. It’s real and Zelena was indirectly responsible and taunted him a lot after his passing. He didn’t even have a chance to be at his sons’ funeral because he was locked in a cage. Of course Rumple was going to lash out- that part was expected but it’s the lying bit that’s still confusing.
Rumple never promised Belle he wouldn’t kill Zelena.
Does Rumple have to make promises every time a new big bad comes to town? She trust him to be a better man. She believes that he has turned a corner and he’s fighting the darkness. And he betrayed that.
I agree with you, they need more than one episode to deal with this (and honestly, I think it’s going to take the whole first half of the season) and I don’t want Belle to forgive him too easily, really. I just want them to face this obstacle together. There’s gotta be a reason they had Rumbelle married right now.
I’m pessimistic and slowly becoming VERY disillusioned with the show as a whole, so I apologize if I sound overly harsh on my favorite couple. But as to “why” right now with the Rumbelle wedding: well…because the fandom. There is no bigger canon ship than Rumbelle (SQ might give them a run, but SQ isnt’ canon). All season the fans have been clamoring for more Belle, for more Rumbelle, for more romantic interaction between the two because there was a total lack of it for so long, despite Rumbelle being *the* power couple. The engagement might now be flat out fan pandering, but the drastic leap to marriage right away screams PLOT. They need extra special Rumbelle drama for S4 because they’ve done separation so many times that they need something new. So Rumple kills Zelena and lies to Belle. PLOT!
Heaven forbid Rumbelle actually allowed to be happy.
Rumple’s grand gesture? We have to watch and see! All I know that Rumbelle = Beauty and the Beast. Very famous and popular couple, a canon. They belong together like Snow and Charming. So I’m sure there will be a satisfying payoff.
The only thing I can think of for grand gesture is Rumple finding a way to give up his Dark One’s powers. TLK has to come back in at some point for those two, right?
I’m just trying to be optimistic because being pessimistic isn’t me..
I’m the total opposite.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"PriceofMagic wrote:
Rumple never promised Belle he wouldn’t kill Zelena.Does Rumple have to make promises every time a new big bad comes to town? She trust him to be a better man. She believes that he has turned a corner and he’s fighting the darkness. And he betrayed that.
I agree.
Does Rumbelle really need a second true love’s kiss? They already had one and I have no doubt that Belle and Rumple love each other. I don’t doubt that at all, but I guess since Rumple was forced to choose between keeping his dagger and saving his son son, he chose his son and gave up his dagger. Maybe Rumple will be faced with a similar choice when it comes to Belle. Give up his magic, let her true love kiss him and he’s not the Dark One anymore. It’ll be interesting to see how that works in Storybrooke.
Now that you bring it up, I’d like to know what was Rumple’s rational for lying to Belle. Why did he feel the need to create a fake dagger and give Belle a false sense of security and trust?
Exactly. He didn’t even need to lie to Belle, she willingly gave the dagger back to him. So, what’s going on with him? What is he up to?
I’m pessimistic and slowly becoming VERY disillusioned with the show as a whole, so I apologize if I sound overly harsh on my favorite couple. But as to “why” right now with the Rumbelle wedding: well…because the fandom. There is no bigger canon ship than Rumbelle (SQ might give them a run, but SQ isnt’ canon). All season the fans have been clamoring for more Belle, for more Rumbelle, for more romantic interaction between the two because there was a total lack of it for so long, despite Rumbelle being *the* power couple. The engagement might now be flat out fan pandering, but the drastic leap to marriage right away screams PLOT. They need extra special Rumbelle drama for S4 because they’ve done separation so many times that they need something new. So Rumple kills Zelena and lies to Belle. PLOT!
Heaven forbid Rumbelle actually allowed to be happy.
I’m sorry you’re feeling that way.. and sadly, I kinda agree with you. But I’m still trying to hold on hope and be optimistic. It’s like my coping mechanism.
The only thing I can think of for grand gesture is Rumple finding a way to give up his Dark One’s powers. TLK has to come back in at some point for those two, right?
Yeah, something like that. Something comparable to his sacrifice in 3×11. The DO issue has to be solved anyway at some point, and they can’t just show us TLK in Rumbelle’s first episode without using it again later. 😉
Yeah, something like that. Something comparable to his sacrifice in 3×11. The DO issue has to be solved anyway at some point, and they can’t just show us TLK in Rumbelle’s first episode without using it again later. 😉
It has been my long standing theory that TLK can’t work on Rumple until after he made the ultimate sacrifice. When Belle TLK-ed him in S1 Skin Deep, it began to crack the curse but Rumple wasn’t ready yet and hadn’t made the ultimate LIGHT sacrifice to allow for TLK to work. Then he did make the ultimate sacrifice in 311 but there was no TLK cause Zelena got to him first (now proceeds to forget 315 ever happened in case she bursts into tears).
but now with the Zelena murder and the lying, I’m not sure how Rumple gives up the curse with TLK if he’s done something so violent."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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