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Yes, we already had his “death” and “transformation” once before but not in context of the B&tB story. He still has his beastly curse. We never got closure from that act. So I think we will have some version 2.0 of his sacrifice of some sort.
I just see no other way to have closure on this fairytale other than his death. And I have a feeling it will be in a totally unexpected way. Someone taking advantage of his mortality. Kind of like surviving a plane crash and then getting killed by car on the way home from it.
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I feel confident that Belle and Rumple are going to end up back together, probably not this season but definitely season 5.
Last episode, there were two scenes that shadow previous RumBelle moments.
The first was the diner scene between Will, Belle and “Hook”. This scene shadows the brief RumBelle hamburger date we saw in season 2. Belle is super excited about some food and someone interrupts. I couldn’t help notice that when Belle was super exited about the chocolate cake, Will was distinctly unimpressed whereas in the hamburger date when Belle was excited about the hamburgers, Rumple just rolled with it. Could the writers already being sowing the seeds for ScarletBeauty to break up by showing the differences between Belle and Will? Also, they had Belle emphasise the newness of her relationship with Will and had her say that she didn’t know if she would ever be over Rumple. If a person isn’t over their ex, then surely any “new” relationship is going to flounder?
The second scene is when “Hook” makes a deal with Belle not to speak of what they did with the dagger to anyone, even amongst themselves. The making a deal is a deliberate imitation of Belle and Rumple’s first meeting in Skin Deep even down to the wording.
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Keeper of FelixI couldn’t help notice that when Belle was super exited about the chocolate cake, Will was distinctly unimpressed whereas in the hamburger date when Belle was excited about the hamburgers, Rumple just rolled with it
That cake was like 4000 layers. Even my teeth hurt looking at it.
The second scene is when “Hook” makes a deal with Belle not to speak of what they did with the dagger to anyone, even amongst themselves. The making a deal is a deliberate imitation of Belle and Rumple’s first meeting in Skin Deep even down to the wording.
Yes I know that they did this. But honestly, I think it’s supposed to be a twist, not a direct parallel indicative of where Rumbelle are headed. In the first one, Skin Deep, Rumple is actually being open and honest and not deceptive nor manipulative. Belle knows what she is getting into and she goes along because it’s sacrifice and heroism. In the second one, Rumple is manipulating her and everything around her. Belle has no idea what she is getting into. He’s getting her to promise never to talk, he’s securing his own selfish ends, even to the danger of the entire town. In Skin Deep, the promise elicited ends the danger to Belle’s town; in 414 it means that Rumple can go out and hurt people and wreck havoc as a villain.
In Skin Deep, Belle saw a man behind the beast. But in 414 she can’t see the beast behind the man. Also, at the end of that scene, Rumple walks out and changes back–there is a look on this face or defeat. As if he knows that this is over.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I read his look as conflicted, not defeated.
First, he learned in the interaction that Belle isn’t over him, which means he might still have a chance, and he learned that the relationship with Will is new and unlike their relationship thus far. Those are things that Cruella tried to convince him weren’t true previously, so there’s reason for him to be a bit relieved at least.
But at the same time, the bit where he runs into and leans on the corner of the building–he’s just seen someone else making Belle light up and giggle the way he’d probably like to. When he comments that she seems so different–for the first time at least since their engagement, Belle’s free of the doubts and anxieties she had about her relationship with Rumple. She KNEW deep inside he was up to sneaky things but she refused to trust her instincts (we saw that in the mirror scene, and in how she looked questioningly at Rumple when they learned Zelena was gone) because she didn’t want to harm his “progress,” and because she has her own insecurities to deal with.
And I (admittedly still looking for what’s left of Rumple’s heart) read that as questioning what he’d done to her, questioning whether he could take away the happiness she has apparently found after he left. He wants her back, but he’s never wanted to hurt her. And aside from his son, she’s probably the only one he’s ever felt that way about.
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I read his look as conflicted, not defeated.
Maybe. But look what he does. He has a choice–he could try to win her back, try to make amends, to do something worthy of her and not force the Author’s hand, but instead…he decides to go torture August. At every corner, he makes the wrong choices, just like Belle said he does. He chooses to be the beast. Honestly, when she learns all this….how can she ever forgive him, no matter what his big hero sacrifice might be. Sacrifices do not cancel out crimes.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Well, I’ve already reduced the murder charge on the fairies to “attempted murder.”
He can’t undo his crimes, I agree, and they are numerous and awful. However, I’m waiting to see just what he does to August. We still don’t have all the facts (just as we didn’t know at the time that the apprentice and likely still be freed from the hat, if it suits the plot). It may wind up that the effects his more recent evils (everything since Belle returned his dagger after Zelena’s defeat, since between then and his resurrection he had little control) will be mostly corrected, if I’m reading the spoilers correctly; if he is instrumental in making that happen, if he shows any kind of remorse or recognition that those things WERE wrong…there may still be room for redemption for him.
He’s still pretty much full on villain atm, but I’m not quite ready to give up on him.
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He’s still pretty much full on villain atm, but I’m not quite ready to give up on him.
I agree Keb. I think Rumple’s look was conflicted as well. He wants Belle back but he also wants her to be happy and at the moment he thinks Will makes her happy. Rumple has always let Belle go because he thinks she’s better off without him, I can see him contemplating doing the same again.
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Keeper of FelixI’ve been wondering something since the finale. Okay, so, Rumple’s Dark One’s curse wasn’t removed by true love’s kiss; it was sucked into the hat and then it broke free. Emma is cursed now, but what I’m wondering is:
Since there was no true love’s kiss to break Rumple’s curse, does that mean Belle and Rumple are still true love?
Since there was no true love’s kiss to break Rumple’s curse, does that mean Belle and Rumple are still true love?
Here is my take on it. Belle said she didn’t love Will, the implication being she still loves Rumple. For some reason, however, the writers chose not to have her kiss Rumple in that moment. But just because she didn’t kiss Rumple doesn’t mean he isn’t still her true love, despite having hurt her. Rumple is Belle’s weakness, and I believe the gauntlet would’ve pointed to Rumple if she were using it to find the thing she loves most.
Now the question in my mind is whether Belle is Rumple’s true love. I think she is the woman he loves without doubt. But does he love her more than the power of the dagger? Belle said in 4×11 that the power was his true love, because the gauntlet led Belle to the real dagger, which is was his weakness. She said he’d never chosen her over the power, and that he never would.
Now I think the reason we didn’t get TLK is because at that point, Rumple was so addicted to the magic that it was his weakness. When someone is so addicted to a substance, it takes over their lives and consumes them. The only way to stop the addictive behavior is to go totally cold turkey in order to detox from the addictive substance. A drug addict, for example, must completely give up the substance, sometimes against his or her own will, by entering a rehab program. Their bodies have become so physically dependent upon the drug to function anywhere close to normally, that when they don’t have the substance, their bodies and their brains can experience withdrawal symptoms like convulsions and seizures.
Now, I don’t know how a dark curse physically impacted its host except to say it held him captive. Unlike other users of dark magic, like Regina or Cora, Rumple was cursed to be the dark one. He had a degree of freedom to choose to do good or commit acts of evil, but as Baelfire said, he was getting worse and worse every day. The implication was that the dark one curse was taking over, and the good man whom Rumple was underneath, whom Bae had known as his papa, was being taken over by the curse. The only way to stop the dark one curse from progressing was to go to A Land Without Magic, something Rumple chickened out of, because of his cowardly nature.
If we compared the dark one curse curse to being like a virus, it was slowly killing all of Rumple’s humans cells, one by one. It took about 300 years for the virus to totally kill the man and take over his very being. As Rumple said, once Rumple the man was gone, no one would be home and only the dark one would remain, a very dangerous thing indeed.
Rumple was so addicted he literally was unable to let go of it by himself, except by force. That is why we had the Apprentice forcibly remove Rumple’s dark power and expel it from him. He was cursed and surrounded by darkness. The man was all but dead, the bit of red in his heart having nearly entirely disappeared. His humanity was being stolen, and nothing of Rumple the man would remain if it were replaced by the dark one. He had to have the source of the magic addiction literally removed from him to have any chance of regaining his humanity and finding redemption.
S5 will be about Rumple either trying to win back Belle or him trying to get back the power he lost. The choice he makes: Belle or magic, will be telling whether he puts Belle first, and whether she really is his true love or not.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Okay, valid points in there.
This one, however, I think is still iffy to me.
S5 will be about Rumple either trying to win back Belle or him trying to get back the power he lost. The choice he makes: Belle or magic, will be telling whether he puts Belle first, and whether she really is his true love or not.
The thing is, even in 4A and in 4B, Rumple was still choosing magic over Belle in some degree. In the AU universe, he had magic and Belle. He didn’t give up magic and settle down for a quiet life with Belle. So, magic still means more to him than Belle’s love. It makes me think maybe he is incapable of deciding what he really wants; it wouldn’t be unusual. Some people are just like that.
But at his core, I’m not sure Rumple can honestly make this decision to truly let go of magic altogether. Just because he’s not the Dark One anymore, doesn’t mean that craving for magic goes away.
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