Belle

[PriceofMagic]

@Oncescape wrote:

I’m not sure Belle will care either. Rumpel’s the only person she knows (well besides Regina who she obviously won’t trust), so I wouldn’t be surprised if she trusts him over a bunch of strangers. I also think after 28 years alone large groups (or maybe just groups period) would be a bit nerve wracking.

I never thought about it that way but you’re right, Belle was on her own for 28 years so she’s hardly going to want to be a social butterfly. She’d be happy just being in the company of Rumple annd he’s not going to complain, he gets her all to himself.

Interactions between Rumple and Maurice/Moe French are going to be interesting. Belle’s father is going to despise Rumple especially because Rumple beat him up yet Rumple is going to have to at least act civil towards Maurice because of Belle.

[autumn]

Here’s another question: why do you think Regina wanted Rumple to tell her the name of Belle, at the end of Skin Deep? I know names have power. And Regina is a very smart woman, I’m pretty sure she knew exactly who Belle was and what was her name. Yet she made Rumple tell her. What do you make of this?

[PriceofMagic]

I think Regina was just trying to rub salt into Rumple’s wounds. She knew Rumple had feelings for Belle so getting him to say her name was dragging it all up again for him. I’d like to know how Regina knew who Belle was in the first place. The fact that she pulled up alongside Belle as Belle was walking was no accident. Regina also took great delight in telling Rumple Belle was dead and you could see he was visibly shaken at the revelation so then telling him that he should get a new girl was another kick him whilst he’s down moment.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[autumn]

PriceofMagic, as usual I agree completely with you. Regina was delighted to tell Rumple all about what happened to Belle. She enjoys every word, every second. And Rumple´s reactions are just painful to watch (what a great actor is RC! He says so much without saying a single word!). And yeah, I guess having Rumple saying Belle’s name outloud was a way to open the wound, preparing him for what was coming.

As for how Regina knew who Belle was, she seems to be always informed of what’s going on with Rumple. She as ears and eyes everywhere. And I’m sure that the gossip about Rumple taking Sir Maurice’s daughter reached her ears very quickly. I’m sure she was spying on the Dark Castle, just waiting for the chance… and that one day Belle came out, she was informed and well… the rest is history.

[PriceofMagic]

I’m hoping we’ll find out what happened to Belle after she left Rumple’s castle. We know she was in the tavern with Grumpy but where to after that? I think she decided to see the world since she had the chance but she would have been a loose end for Regina. Perhaps Regina never specifically had any plan for Belle. She told Rumple she was dead for a laugh and he believed her. Regina might not have been bothered if Rumple had accidentally come across Belle. Maybe that’s why Belle was locked up in Storybrooke, rather than Regina locking her up in fairytale land, Belle was free and seeing the world and the curse’s effect on her was to be locked away?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Josephine]

I think she was going to return to Rumple when Regina caught her. Part of me also thinks maybe there is a grain of truth in what Regina said of Belle returning and being ostracized by her people. Just think back even a few decades ago, if a woman was alone with a man without a chaperone she was ruined socially whether anything happened or not. Seeing as how Belle lived months with Rumple, people would assume and believe she was his mistress, no matter what the real truth was. If she had made it home and talked about Rumple is any way but as a monster, they would believe he enchanted her, used her, and discarded her. Girl had it bad no matter what she did. The whole damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I hope Dr. Hopper is still seeing patients because he could have a thriving business just doing the Golds and the Charmings.

How long until Moe starts knocking on Gold’s door demanding to see Belle. If he doesn’t, then I’ll take it as proof he did something to Belle in the Enchanted Forrest. We keep thinking that Regina kidnapped Belle, but what if Moe literally handed Belle to her after she returned. The Queen can be manipulative, what if she convinced Maurice that she had the girl’s best interests at heart and knew how to “cure” her. Yikes…we need this show to come back pronto.

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[autumn]

@Josephine wrote:

Part of me also thinks maybe there is a grain of truth in what Regina said of Belle returning and being ostracized by her people. […] Seeing as how Belle lived months with Rumple, people would assume and believe she was his mistress, no matter what the real truth was. If she had made it home and talked about Rumple is any way but as a monster, they would believe he enchanted her, used her, and discarded her. […] We keep thinking that Regina kidnapped Belle, but what if Moe literally handed Belle to her after she returned. The Queen can be manipulative, what if she convinced Maurice that she had the girl’s best interests at heart and knew how to “cure” her.

I’ve thought about all of that, too and I agree with you. I’m sure Regina knew how much Belle meant to Rumple. Belle was, actually, his weakness. Of course Regina would want Belle. She surely thought she could play the Belle card when things were complicated. That is why I think she went to see Belle after visiting Gold at the Sheriff’s office. She knew then how much Mr. Gold was willing to do and sacrifice just to have his cup back. Now she knew how much he’d be willing to do to get Belle’s back. Thankfully things happened differently.

But yeah, I think when Belle returned to her town, people might have been seeing her as someone who actually sold her soul to the Devil. Someone they couldn’t trust. What if she came back just to do the Beast’s dirty work in the town? I can totally see that, considering how things were then. I think Regina was telling some truth to Rumple’s. I’m not sure if Belle was actually tortured by the clerics and all, but I see perfectly possible that she was ostracized by the people… even maybe from her father.

Then again, those are just thoughts. We have to wait and see what happens. But it’s fun to come up with theories and all. 🙂

[PriceofMagic]

@Josephine wrote:

I think she was going to return to Rumple when Regina caught her. Part of me also thinks maybe there is a grain of truth in what Regina said of Belle returning and being ostracized by her people. Just think back even a few decades ago, if a woman was alone with a man without a chaperone she was ruined socially whether anything happened or not. Seeing as how Belle lived months with Rumple, people would assume and believe she was his mistress, no matter what the real truth was. If she had made it home and talked about Rumple is any way but as a monster, they would believe he enchanted her, used her, and discarded her. Girl had it bad no matter what she did. The whole damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I hope Dr. Hopper is still seeing patients because he could have a thriving business just doing the Golds and the Charmings.

We know there was a grain of truth when Regina said Gaston had gone missing so perhaps Regina was telling the truth upto the point where Belle was tortured and committed suicide.

Seeing as everyone will still have their Storybrooke memories, do you think Jiminy will bring up Rumple’s son or think it was just something made up as part of the curse. Will people think Rumple was under the curse the entire time or will they realise that Rumple and Regina were in league with each other?

How long until Moe starts knocking on Gold’s door demanding to see Belle. If he doesn’t, then I’ll take it as proof he did something to Belle in the Enchanted Forrest. We keep thinking that Regina kidnapped Belle, but what if Moe literally handed Belle to her after she returned. The Queen can be manipulative, what if she convinced Maurice that she had the girl’s best interests at heart and knew how to “cure” her. Yikes…we need this show to come back pronto.

This is actually quite a plausable explaination for what could have happened. Moe didn’t seem to be the type that would hurt Belle in any way, but if he thought the best way to help her would be to send her away with Regina, then I could see him doing that despite Belle’s protests.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[PriceofMagic]

http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/2012/08/07/once-upon-time-scoop-season-2-interview-storybrooke/

Rumple’s Wrench: Belle (Emilie de Ravin) and Red Riding Hood (Meghan Ory) have been upgraded to series regulars. And with more Belle comes more drama for Rumpelstiltskin. Says Horowitz, “Rumple [Carlyle] is a man who feels he is incapable of being loved. So what happens when the person he always regretted letting get away comes back? How does that interfere with his ultimate goal? Because he is a man who always chooses between love and power. For us it is also fun because Belle has been in Fairytale Land in a locked asylum so, theoretically, she has never seen a phone, so a parking meter might frighten her.” And as for Belle, Horowitz says, “What we love about Emilie is she is an incredibly versatile actress, so there is so much we are excited to do with the character. What we loved about her interpretation of Belle is she brought something that was uniquely her to it.”

“Belle has been in Fairytale Land in a locked asylum so, theoretically, she has never seen a phone, so a parking meter might frighten her” Do they mean Belle was in fairytale land then in a locked asylum in Storybrooke or do they mean she was in a locked asylum in fairytale land? Will Belle be viewed as insane by the rest of Storybrooke because of her lack of familiarity with everyday objects such as phones and parking meters and her willing association with Rumple?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Aliasscape]

You know I almost posted in here about how 28 years locked up could have Belle confused about a lot of objects, but then I assumed she had an implanted memory story about why she was locked up and with it would have been hazy memories of a life outside that I thought might have given her the same ability to use an oven, drive a car, as everyone else has so the objects wouldn’t be unfamiliar. And so, did Rump and Belle walk the entire way to the forest and the well? I guess I assumed they drove until the forest got too dense and then got out and walked. (Because I thought poor girl probably hadn’t walked a long distance in a long time, but it seemed the curse prevented any serious atrophied) But hey, if next season she hasn’t a clue what a car is, I guess that’s a plot hole.

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